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Re: [ontolog-forum] Universal Basic Semantic Structures

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From: "Rich Cooper" <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:54:22 -0700
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John Sowa wrote:

The fundamental principle is that there is a reason for every

distinction.  Those reasons are fundamental to ontology.  Mereology

is useful.  But the hope that it might provide "objective" criteria

for ontology is a fantasy -- an extremely *misleading* fantasy.

 

John

 

Agreed; it is the observer who decides what distinctions to apply, and that makes the observer’s subjective ontology the appropriate one to use, not some so-called “objective” ontology.

 

Even worse, no two people use exactly the same ontology, which is one of those things that make interpersonal communications so very faulty.

 

-Rich

 

Sincerely,

Rich Cooper

EnglishLogicKernel.com

Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com

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-----Original Message-----
From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John F Sowa
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 7:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Universal Basic Semantic Structures

 

On 9/26/2012 9:16 AM, Obrst, Leo J. wrote:

> Then you agree with the author of the second paper?

> 

> Robinson, Edward Heath. 2012. Reexamining fiat, bona fide

> and force dynamic boundaries for geopolitical entities and

> their placement in DOLCE. Applied Ontology 7 (2012),

> pp. 93-108, DOI 10.3233/AO-2012-0103, IOS Press.

 

I haven't had a chance to read that paper.  But I objected to the

distinction of fiat vs. natural boundaries as soon as it was published.

 

In physics, everything is continuous.   Some gradients are sharper

than others, but nothing in nature has a clearly defined or definable

0-thickness boundary.

 

Just consider the human body. The boundary changes every time somebody

gets a hair cut, clips fingernails, takes a bath, puts on make-up,

removes contact lenses, or sheds a few skin cells.  For legal purposes,

even clothing is considered within the body's boundary.

 

If you admit clothing, you have to ask about the difference between

a wallet in somebody's pocket vs. a purse carried outside the boundary

of the clothing.  What about a necklace that might be partly under

the clothing and partly outside?   What about a backpack?  If you admit

a backpack, what about a suitcase that somebody is carrying.  If you

admit that, what about a cane? Crutches?  A walker?  A wheelchair?

A seeing-eye dog?

 

The fundamental principle is that there is a reason for every

distinction.  Those reasons are fundamental to ontology.  Mereology

is useful.  But the hope that it might provide "objective" criteria

for ontology is a fantasy -- an extremely *misleading* fantasy.

 

John

 

 

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