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Re: [ontolog-forum] intangibles (was RE: Why mostclassificationsare fuzz

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From: "Rich Cooper" <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 16:38:34 -0700
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Dear John,    (01)

You may be right about Roy Spencer, I don't know
his history, but note that the articles you
referenced as contrasting come from the climate
warming people who are good examples of the
industry that benefits from the global warming
research funding.  I don't know their reputations
either, and further investigation seems not worth
the investment in time it would take to figure it
out.      (02)

I have two words that should be considered: Al
Gore.  Remember the man who, in Brittain, was
found to have something like eleven egregious
errors in his "inconvenient truth" video?  You
know, the man who claimed to have invented the
internet?  The one who was reputed to have
molested a massage therapist in a hotel in
Washington state?      (03)

>From the beginning, when Clinton and others
appeared on the PBS News hour during the Clinton
administration, they refused to entertain opposite
views, or even to allow contrary views to be
considered on the PBS show in which they appeared.
At the time, that was a historic first on PBS News
Hour.  So suppression of opposition, which is the
hallmark of other compulsory regulatory bodies,
was rife until climategate, when disagreements
among the scientists themselves were shown to have
been suppressed until leaked to the media.      (04)

Remember the quotes that "no scientists disagree",
and "scientists unanimously agree that global
warming is real", and other such claims in the
scientific and popular media?  I don't think truth
is to be found in such aversive policies.      (05)

In an atmosphere (sic) where the participants have
much to gain or lose, it isn't too surprising that
such suppression is institutionalized.      (06)

Consider the NLRB, which was filled with ex-union
management appointees by the Obama administration,
and which has halted the Boeing plant in South
Carolina from hiring the thousand employees there.
The plant is sitting empty, while no jobs at all
have been lost, and no layoffs made, in the
Washington state plants where unions have accused
Boeing of retaliation, even without job losses or
layoffs.      (07)

We could go on with this, and we would find
examples that are ultimately shown to be correct
and others that are ultimately shown to be
erroneous, but the principle is clear; regulatory
bodies cause harm at least as much and as often as
they cause useful results to the entrenched
interests.      (08)

I was hoping you and Doug Foxvog could make some
tentative suggestions about how to form a
self-interest ontology.  If you could offer some
ideas, that would be very useful to consider.
Does that stimulate ideas you would care to share?    (09)

-Rich    (010)

Rich Cooper
Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
9 4 9 \ 5 2 5 - 5 7 1 2    (011)

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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] intangibles (was RE:
Why mostclassificationsare fuzzy)    (012)

Rich,    (013)

There are certainly many issues about regulation
that need to be
changed.  I agree that the biggest problem is that
the regulators
tend to get too cozy with the businesses they have
to regulate.    (014)

> These compelling regulatory bodies are usually
> populated with people from huge companies in the
> industry being regulated.  Guess what?  The huge
> companies become huger and the smaller companies
> with better products and services disappear.    (015)

That is a serious problem.  There is also a lot of
money that
passes under the table to avoid important
regulations.    (016)

There is a large engineering company that designed
many of the
bridges across the Mississippi.  The oldest ones
in Illinois and
Tennessee are still in use.  But some much newer
ones in Louisiana
have already been torn down and replaced.    (017)

The bridge designs were OK.  But some local
contractors that paid
off the inspectors had watered down the concrete,
and the bridges
were in danger of collapsing. (That's also a big
problem in China.)    (018)

> Have you seen the recent NASA study that says
> global warming alarmism is not justified, and
> the earth is emitting heat into space, and also
> adapting to higher levels of CO2 by emitting
> heat and pushing the gas higher in the
asa_says_computer_models_wrong_about.html    (019)

I read that reference, and I also checked Google
News for other
opinions on the subject.  Following are two:    (020)

-global-warming-alarmism/    (021)

/07/misdiagnosis-of-surface-temperature-feedback/    (022)

Apparently, the "scientific" study in question was
written by
Dr. Roy Spencer with funding from Exxon.  Spencer
is one of the
very few "scientists" who question global warming.
He is also
one of the very few "scientists" who question
evolution.    (023)

Tobacco companies were notorious for huge amounts
of pseudo science
since the 1950s, and now the oil companies are
doing the same.
Fortunately, the longest ever heat spell of
temperatures over 100
has hit the state with the largest number of oil
executives.    (024)

John    (025)

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