Dear Pat,
Another SUO, then years later ... read the Section "The Search for a
Standard Upper Ontology" in my "Representation and Management of
Narrative Information" book (Springer, 2009), pp. 113-123.
Regards,
Gian Piero ZARRI
Patrick Cassidy a écrit :
Re: [ontolog-forum] Ockham
At
the Ontology Summit this week we learned about an ongoing effort
to develop a “merged core ontology” including contributions from
SUMO, BFO, and DOLCE, under the ISO standards procedures (JCT1/SC32).
There
is a brief description of the effort and timeline:
http://jtc1sc32.org/doc/N1801-1850/32N1807-US_contrib_SP_MCO.pdf
Are
any of the participants willing to elaborate for us on the origin
of this project, and its goals and methods? Is there any opportunity
to
us to view the current content? Who is expected to use the resulting
product for what purposes?
Pat
I number
you among the best programmers, but I never written any line of code.
Nevetheless, for one of your triad i'd not spare a Nobel. But what i am
missing why John is promoting Okham, who stuck in the referential
partial view
of meaning as "the thing referred, so much contributing to a defective
extensional semantics. If to advice Richard some historical readings on
logics and semantics, the best one is Port-Royal Logique, where meaning
was
correctly analyzed as consisting at least of two dimensions: intension
and extension.
Re.
Richard, as i said, he has not only an honest open mind but also real
intelligence. Nowadays, it is a rare thing to find the mind caring
about
the real world.
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2009 5:51 AM
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Ockham
Dick:
I have been following this conversation from day one and really urge
you to
hear what Chris, Pat and John are saying. These guys have devoted
their
lives to this work and have separated the aspects of “labels” and
“conceptual work”. IMO – you cannot pay all the
money in the world for better advice. Conceptual work is where
ontology work should be done, the labeling is where most people
mistakenly
think they are doing it. When you have 3 of the world’s leading
experts (yes – that is just my opinion) on a topic stating that your
approach could use re-considering, it is worth giving it a thought.
There is no malice in this group and there are a lot of people
genuinely
interested in helping mKR. I think if you can take this in and
consider
the feedback as viable, it might help your efforts substantially. I
personally came to this group and have learned so much by being willing
to be
open to their perspectives. Please give it a careful thought.
Duane
On 4/7/09 6:12 PM, "John F. Sowa" <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Dick,
I give up.
RHM> This makes mKR closer to Ockham's mental language.
Nothing you write on paper or enter into a computer is
"close" to a mental language.
If you want to learn something go study. Pat and Chris
gave up on you long ago.
I am always willing to go an extra mile with a student
who is willing to think about the issues and do some
extra reading to fill gaps. But I have no desire to
try to tutor anybody whose mind is a steel trap.
Goodbye.
John
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