| Duane, I number you among the best programmers, but I 
never written any line of code. Nevetheless, for one of your triad i'd 
not spare a Nobel. But what i am missing why John is promoting Okham, who 
stuck in the referential partial view of meaning as "the thing referred, so much 
contributing to a defective extensional semantics. If to advice 
Richard some historical readings on logics and semantics, the best one is 
Port-Royal Logique, where meaning was correctly analyzed  as consisting at 
least of two dimensions: intension and extension.   Re. Richard, as i said, he has not only an honest 
open mind but also real intelligence. Nowadays, it is a rare thing to find the 
mind caring about the real world.    Azamat   
  ----- Original Message -----  Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:51 
  AM Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Ockham Dick:
 
 I have been following this conversation 
  from day one and really urge you to hear what Chris, Pat and John are saying. 
   These guys have devoted their lives to this work and have separated the 
  aspects of ?labels? and ?conceptual work?.   IMO ? you cannot pay 
  all the money in the world for better advice.   Conceptual work is 
  where ontology work should be done, the labeling is where most people 
  mistakenly think they are doing it.  When you have 3 of the world?s 
  leading experts (yes ? that is just my opinion) on a topic stating that your 
  approach could use re-considering, it is worth giving it a thought.
 
 There is no malice in this group and there are a lot of people 
  genuinely interested in helping mKR.  I think if you can take this in and 
  consider the feedback as viable, it might help your efforts substantially. 
   I personally came to this group and have learned so much by being 
  willing to be open to their perspectives.   Please give it a careful 
  thought.
 
 Duane
 
 
 On 4/7/09 6:12 PM, "John F. Sowa" <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 
 
 Dick,
 I give up.
 
 RHM> This makes 
    mKR closer to Ockham's mental language.
 
 Nothing you write on paper or 
    enter into a computer is
 "close" to a mental language.
 
 If you want 
    to learn something go study.  Pat and Chris
 gave up on you long 
    ago.
 
 I am always willing to go an extra mile with a student
 who is 
    willing to think about the issues and do some
 extra reading to fill gaps. 
     But I have no desire to
 try to tutor anybody whose mind is a steel 
    trap.
 
 Goodbye.
 
 John
 
 
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