I think we all seek answers here and I guess it is healthy to question now and then. I don’t doubt intelligence and Richard has obviously put a lot of thought and hard work into mKr. I will be a bystander though from now on in this conversation.
Duane
On 4/8/09 7:05 AM, "Azamat" <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Duane,
I number you among the best programmers, but I never written any line of code. Nevetheless, for one of your triad i'd not spare a Nobel. But what i am missing why John is promoting Okham, who stuck in the referential partial view of meaning as "the thing referred, so much contributing to a defective extensional semantics. If to advice Richard some historical readings on logics and semantics, the best one is Port-Royal Logique, where meaning was correctly analyzed as consisting at least of two dimensions: intension and extension.
Re. Richard, as i said, he has not only an honest open mind but also real intelligence. Nowadays, it is a rare thing to find the mind caring about the real world.
Azamat
----- Original Message -----
From: Duane Nickull <mailto:dnickull@xxxxxxxxx>
To: [ontolog-forum] <mailto:ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; Richard H. McCullough <mailto:rhm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Ockham
Dick:
I have been following this conversation from day one and really urge you to hear what Chris, Pat and John are saying. These guys have devoted their lives to this work and have separated the aspects of “labels” and “conceptual work”. IMO – you cannot pay all the money in the world for better advice. Conceptual work is where ontology work should be done, the labeling is where most people mistakenly think they are doing it. When you have 3 of the world’s leading experts (yes – that is just my opinion) on a topic stating that your approach could use re-considering, it is worth giving it a thought.
There is no malice in this group and there are a lot of people genuinely interested in helping mKR. I think if you can take this in and consider the feedback as viable, it might help your efforts substantially. I personally came to this group and have learned so much by being willing to be open to their perspectives. Please give it a careful thought.
Duane
On 4/7/09 6:12 PM, "John F. Sowa" <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dick,
I give up.
RHM> This makes mKR closer to Ockham's mental language.
Nothing you write on paper or enter into a computer is
"close" to a mental language.
If you want to learn something go study. Pat and Chris
gave up on you long ago.
I am always willing to go an extra mile with a student
who is willing to think about the issues and do some
extra reading to fill gaps. But I have no desire to
try to tutor anybody whose mind is a steel trap.
Goodbye.
John
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