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Re: [ontolog-forum] problems with Wikis as a genre/medium

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From: Ron Wheeler <rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:30:31 -0500
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So far we have avoided 2) and 30 but I may be guilty of 1) since I am 
the only editor so far with one or 2 exceptions.    (01)

I have been pretty selective about what I have put up and, to be 
completely honest, my criteria has been very personal - I think that I 
understand the words being strung together and it seemed sort of 
interesting to me.    (02)

No one has ever removed anything to my knowledge, but there is so little 
there that it hardly seems possible that someone would be worried about 
finding a place to put their ideas.    (03)

Ron    (04)

FERENC KOVACS wrote:
> Thank you John. That was very kind and helpful. I have lost the thread 
> in the meantime, so I had better stop here or start a new thread, if 
> anyone is interested.
> It would be problems with wikis (Wikipedia as I experience them.
> 1. The most agressive editor will dominate the texts as he removes 
> anything he does not see fit.
> 2. Only text supported by references to publications are tolerated, so 
> new ideas or aspects will never be.
> 3. They do not care about providing definitions and using a basic set 
> of vocabuary for such definitiins. For example Twin concepts as a new 
> entry word is marked and redirected to dualism. Dualism is not defined 
> at all. And yet there is mapointless discussion on how they differ and 
> they maintain that dualism ios fine, twin concepts are rubbish
> That is the way with authoritarian people who have various wikie 
> medals and .
> Cheerio
>  
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* John F. Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* [ontolog-forum] <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 27 January, 2009 2:16:05 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [ontolog-forum] Next steps in using ontologies as standards
>
> Dear Frank,
>
> When a person writes an email note (or even a book) about topic X,
> it is impossible to infer what that person believes about topic Y.
>
> > There is a lot more out there in understanding this world and
> > human language processing than trying to describe in terms of
> > formal logic.
>
> Of course.  I have said that in many different ways in many different
> publications.  For a list of them with pointers to the recent ones, see
>
>     http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/
>
> For slides of recent talks with pointers to suggested readings, see
>
>     http://www.jfsowa.com/talks/
>
> > Moreover, you do not have to speak a language syntactically correctly
> > to get by.
>
> That is obvious.  Saying it makes people think that you don't yet
> have a strong grasp of the obvious.
>
> > You do not see that all the words you use are names of concepts,
> > and concepts are all abstract, there is no such thing as an
> > abstract concept and a concrete concept, etc.
>
> If you would like to get a clearer idea of how those signs are related,
> I recommend the writings of C. S. Peirce.  You can start by reading
> the following paper:
>
>     http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/csp21st.pdf
>     Peirce's Contributions to the 21st Century
>
> > Please, read the book entitled the Topos of Music...
>
> It's a good book.  I have a copy of it.
>
> I also recommend the following papers, which discuss some of the
> reasons why AI systems based on formal logic have failed to achieve
> true intelligence (or even a decent level of artificial intelligence):
>
>     http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/cogcat.htm
>     Categorization in cognitive computer science
>
>     http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/pursuing.pdf
>     Pursuing the goal of language understanding
>
> John
>
>
>
>
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