Re: [ontolog-forum] Tighter control of ontolog forum?

["Patrick Cassidy" <pat@xxxxxxxxx>]

This is an open forum, and the discussions have been vigorous and informal, often like those in a college dorm around midnight.  One difference is the fact that these discussions are being recorded for all time for the public to observe, so one would *hope* for some caution in expressing negative opinions .  Still, if one member thinks that another’s contribution is truly stupid, I would not want to see any inhibition on _expression_ of such an opinion.  We know the kinds of strong opinions that can be advanced here, and if any of us has a skin too thin to tolerate direct insult, I would suggest that such members not participate (or, alternatively, advance only opinion for which there is strong citation support).  As one who has been called “mad”, I find the debate exhilarating and amusing, even when I am on the receiving end.

 

I hope we stay wide open, and leave censorship to the contributors themselves, except in extreme cases of persistent disruptive posts.

 

Pat

 

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From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tolk, Andreas
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Tighter control of ontolog forum?

 

Paola and all,

I think that someone who "deliberately and gratuitously insults other forum members" or "openly insult others'" violates not only the code of ethics but also the principles for professional conduct. Unfortunately, the level of education and the rank in academic institutions does not imply social or ethical maturity. I am quite sure that I am myself guilty of having insulted someone with my statements (maybe currently even am in the process of doing so), but the "deliberately and gratuitously" is what raises my concern.

It is OK to openly discuss ideas, and there should be no limiting factor. If an idea is stupid or not of interest it will simply dry out over time. It is also OK to say - or better prove - that someone is wrong. No-one is served by something that is wrong. The open discussion has been the core of academic progress, and academic disputes are healthy for the discipline. However, it is not OK to attack others in an unprofessional way and to personally attack someone.

My two pence ... my question: do we need to take action here?

Andreas

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Andreas Tolk, Ph.D.
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Engineering Management & Systems Engineering
Old Dominion University

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From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx [paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:30 AM
To: [ontolog-forum]
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Tighter control of ontolog forum?

Andreas

just as you are the subject

After getting deliberatelly and gratuitously insulted by a forum member on a couple of occasions, I complained to the mods who said that anyone can say what they want in this forum, cause its free place

 It takes quite a lot of personal restraint (hold me ...hold me..) to provide graceful answers to insults, and to keep on enjoying the exchange,

 should the forum policy be revised, I would hope that 'free to openly insult others' will be disallowed ....

long live the far west

PDM

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Tolk, Andreas <atolk@xxxxxxx> wrote:

I see the ontolog forum to be something more special than Wiki. Whoever is part of the ontolog group went thru a type of "screening." If one of us really starts to spam the system or misuse it or violates the code of ethics by insulting others, etc. he or she can still be excluded.

I prefer ontolog to remain un-moderated and open assuming everyone playing by the rules until proven otherwise.

All the best

Andreas

==================== ;-)
Andreas Tolk, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Engineering Management & Systems Engineering
Old Dominion University

 

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