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>
> (01)
>
> I dont know, but as relationships are logical expressions
>
> Er... no. Relationships (AKA "relations') are in the world. (02)
Sure, of course, but ontologies are descriptions and representations
of the world, not the world (03)
The
> relation(ship) of being to the north of isn't a logical expression, its
> something that holds between (actual) things with positions on the surface
> of the (actual) Earth. Now, of course, we use expressions to describe and
> talk about relationships, just as we do about anything; I used the English
> words "being to the north of", above, to refer to the this very
> relationship. But the words are not the thing; and Chris here is talking
> about things, not words. Logical expressions are just the logical equivalent
> of English words and sentences, of course.
>
> I cant see where this would stop, although I think there may be some
> exceptions, I d have to think a bit (busy now)
>
>
>
> , thus relies on logic too
>
> ... no, that does not follow. Relationships do not rely on, or even
> presuppose, a logic. (04)
agree, but logic is inferred from observing relationships (05)
>Even if there were no language-using creatures in the universe, and >hence no
>language and hence no logics, still some things would be >further north than
>others. (06)
you need logic the moment you make any such statement (07)
The relationship would hold between the
> things, even if nothing had ever mentioned it or described it. (08)
thats my point, although to describe a relationship you need some
formalism, hence logic (09)
> (010)
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