Re: [ontolog-forum] Next steps in using ontologies as standards

[Ali Hashemi <ali.hashemi+ontolog@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I would add:

That we are communicating with others. And particularly, in this context, you are creating an account of the fact that your computer is on your desk.

The other, in interpreting your (ideally) coherent account, is likely using some form of logic. In fact, it is quite likely, that anyone reconstructing or considering your account of what is (was), will use a formal logic to judge much of its merits (however they are defined for the tasks at hand).

Cheers,
Ali

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Matthew West <dr.matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Dear Paola,

That my computer is on my desk is a relationship that has nothing to do with
logic, and I would describe as physical rather than logical if I were
pushed.

But this is really off even what I thought we were discussing. You seem to
be saying that because relationships are described in logic, that therefore
they are necessarily logical. The point I am trying to make is that
relationships can be described without using logic, but some other
formalism, and so relationships are not therefore necessarily logical.

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> standards
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> Hi Matthew
>
> > OK. Can you say what it is about them that makes them logical then?
>
> I really do not intend to clog the list with circular statements or
> off topic. My comment was in reply to the suggestion that logic and
> ontology are not related, while obviously they are, although they are
> related in many different ways.
>
> Whether this is a lexical or philosophical issue, I am not sure, and
> thats what motivates much of the ontology work that many of us do,
> that is, reconcile different truths and different points of view
>
> I dont know what makes logic logical, when I asked this question
> before I was answered that 'science does answer such questions'
>
>  To be answered sensibly may benefit from an interdisciplinary
> approach, and there may no short answer, but I ll be happy to hear
> suggestions
>
> However, since you are in a quiz mood (Friday night?) perhaps you can
> provide  examples of  relationships in any ontology of your choice
> that are either logical or not logical, and explain why that is so.
>
> Apologies if I may have to delay possible  follow ups to this
> conversation til I come back from a long overseas trip that will keep
> me connected only briefly when traveling....
>
> best
>
> PDM
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Matthew West
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> >> -----Original Message-----
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> >> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Next steps in using ontologies as
> >> standards
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Could you give some examples of non-logical relationships for
> >> instance?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Not at all, and thay is precisely the point
> >>
> >> relationships are logical statements
> >> since ontologies are made of relationships, then logical statements
> are
> >> implicit
> >>
> >> that's was my original comments to CP post,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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