I've explained elsewhere in this forum exactly what was not optimal
about those past approaches. What they do provide however is communities
of users, with budgets and a by now clearer understanding of the problem
they hoped would be solved with XML when the hype for that led them down
these paths. (01)
The likely owners for any standardisation of terms in a given industry
would be the standards bodies such as FIX Protocol Limited, ISDA (owners
of the FpML standard) FISD (ditto MDDL) to give some examples in the
semantics space. (02)
Already SWIFT as the Registration Authority for the ISO 20022 financial
messaging standard, are looking into a new initiative callled MDMI
coming out of the OMG, which provides some practical approaches to
resolving the problems of different message standards, using a common
set of semantics. At present I think our EDM Council Semantics
Repository is in the frame for delivering on the semantics layer. I will
be talking to them next week on this. (03)
So the process I am talking about is well under way. People in the
industry are starting to understand the problem and are articulating it
more clearly than I have been able to do. (04)
Watch this space :-) (05)
Mike (06)
Patrick Cassidy wrote:
> Mike,
> The problem of lack of semantic interoperability has been with us for
> dozens of years. I would hope that the fact that we are still far from a
> visible solution would make you consider the possibility that the past
> approaches you consider optimal may not in fact be what is needed to solve
> this problem?
>
> Pat
>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-
>> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Bennett
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:47 PM
>> To: [ontolog-forum]
>> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Fw: Next steps in using ontologies as
>> standards
>>
>> Respectfully I think you are barking up the wrong tree - or rather you
>> are barking down the tree rather than up it.
>>
>> Most industries have efforts aimed at standardizing terms and
>> definitions. The use of XML as a common EDI standard has given such
>> efforts a real boost, and in doing this most of them have discovered
>> that XML is not the answer, or rather that they have been framing the
>> question wrongly.
>>
>> As a result there should now be the appetite and the budget to solve
>> the
>> real problem of data interoperability and enterprise data management.
>> The last message these industry groups need to hear is that a bunch of
>> some unknown new creature called ontologists is going to come along and
>> solve the same problem all over again.
>>
>> Meanwhile there is the legacy of these various EDI standards and data
>> models that now cry out for some business-led governance if they are to
>> survive going forward. Explaining this problem is easy and doesn't need
>> any O-words in the text. Indeed, in the EDM Council efforts, we
>> generally explain the entire project to business stakeholders without
>> once mentioning ontology. It's things and facts, just what they needed
>> all along.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Patrick Cassidy wrote:
>>
>>> >From Don Conklin:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The trick is to find the organization in the US Government that
>>>>
>> would
>>
>>>> fund such an effort. It's not DARPA. They don't see a new technology
>>>>
>> in
>>
>>>> such an effort, just the machinations of using existing technologies.
>>>> It's not DISA, they want to field and maintain systems today. The
>>>> Service labs (AFRL, ONR, SPAWAR) are not going to jump on this
>>>> bandwagon
>>>> either. So there goes DoD... Any other USG contenders? NIH? NSF?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Good question. All suggestions welcome!
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
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