I also think that this is the way that ontology is most likely to make a
difference.
Guys who feel the pain or are smart enough to see that the next step in
their evolution will cause the pain to be felt, decide to look for a
solution. (01)
They will look for ontologies that stop the pain and pay to have them
harmonized and extended.
If they are foresighted and community spirited, they will hire people
who will design the ontology so that parts of it can be used by others
in other fields through extensions and harmonization and they will make
them Open Source so that they can be used freely.
Eventually a few sets of harmonized or harmonizable ontologies will
create alternative FOs so that building usable new ontologies is
manageable. Some of these may get called "standards" if they get enough
following or get the backing of an organization that can select
standards based on other criteria. (02)
Ron (03)
Mike Bennett wrote:
> I've explained elsewhere in this forum exactly what was not optimal
> about those past approaches. What they do provide however is communities
> of users, with budgets and a by now clearer understanding of the problem
> they hoped would be solved with XML when the hype for that led them down
> these paths.
>
> The likely owners for any standardisation of terms in a given industry
> would be the standards bodies such as FIX Protocol Limited, ISDA (owners
> of the FpML standard) FISD (ditto MDDL) to give some examples in the
> semantics space.
>
> Already SWIFT as the Registration Authority for the ISO 20022 financial
> messaging standard, are looking into a new initiative callled MDMI
> coming out of the OMG, which provides some practical approaches to
> resolving the problems of different message standards, using a common
> set of semantics. At present I think our EDM Council Semantics
> Repository is in the frame for delivering on the semantics layer. I will
> be talking to them next week on this.
>
> So the process I am talking about is well under way. People in the
> industry are starting to understand the problem and are articulating it
> more clearly than I have been able to do.
>
> Watch this space :-)
>
> Mike
>
> Patrick Cassidy wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>> The problem of lack of semantic interoperability has been with us for
>> dozens of years. I would hope that the fact that we are still far from a
>> visible solution would make you consider the possibility that the past
>> approaches you consider optimal may not in fact be what is needed to solve
>> this problem?
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Patrick Cassidy
>> MICRA, Inc.
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-
>>> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Bennett
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:47 PM
>>> To: [ontolog-forum]
>>> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Fw: Next steps in using ontologies as
>>> standards
>>>
>>> Respectfully I think you are barking up the wrong tree - or rather you
>>> are barking down the tree rather than up it.
>>>
>>> Most industries have efforts aimed at standardizing terms and
>>> definitions. The use of XML as a common EDI standard has given such
>>> efforts a real boost, and in doing this most of them have discovered
>>> that XML is not the answer, or rather that they have been framing the
>>> question wrongly.
>>>
>>> As a result there should now be the appetite and the budget to solve
>>> the
>>> real problem of data interoperability and enterprise data management.
>>> The last message these industry groups need to hear is that a bunch of
>>> some unknown new creature called ontologists is going to come along and
>>> solve the same problem all over again.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile there is the legacy of these various EDI standards and data
>>> models that now cry out for some business-led governance if they are to
>>> survive going forward. Explaining this problem is easy and doesn't need
>>> any O-words in the text. Indeed, in the EDM Council efforts, we
>>> generally explain the entire project to business stakeholders without
>>> once mentioning ontology. It's things and facts, just what they needed
>>> all along.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Patrick Cassidy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> >From Don Conklin:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The trick is to find the organization in the US Government that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> would
>>>
>>>
>>>>> fund such an effort. It's not DARPA. They don't see a new technology
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> in
>>>
>>>
>>>>> such an effort, just the machinations of using existing technologies.
>>>>> It's not DISA, they want to field and maintain systems today. The
>>>>> Service labs (AFRL, ONR, SPAWAR) are not going to jump on this
>>>>> bandwagon
>>>>> either. So there goes DoD... Any other USG contenders? NIH? NSF?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Good question. All suggestions welcome!
>>>>
>>>> Pat
>>>>
>>>> Patrick Cassidy
>>>> MICRA, Inc.
>>>> 908-561-3416
>>>> cell: 908-565-4053
>>>> cassidy@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>
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