Peter: (01)
That jives with my beliefs, as crooked and warped as they may be. (02)
;-) (03)
/d (04)
On 7/31/07 2:13 PM, "Peter F Brown" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: (05)
> Duane:
> You are right. This goes to the heart of the issue of "vicious circularity"
> that Whitehead and Russell had thought was sorted with Principia Mathematica,
> until Kurt Gödel came along and demolished their shiny, perfect, world. An
> ontology is not just some self-referencing and self-sustaining model that is
> somehow "complete"; it points out to the real world, as you rightly say.
>
> Before there is a flame war on this, I should underline that we discussed this
> extensively at the Ontology Summit, and there was an (uncomfortable for some)
> consensus that there is "Ontology" as *the* study of being; and there are
> "ontologies" that are domain-specific encapsulations of some aspect of the
> real world.
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: [ontolog-forum]; John F. Sowa
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> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Current Semantic Web Layer Cake
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>
>
>
> On 7/31/07 12:46 PM, "Azamat" <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> The real semantics or meanings of any symbolism or notation is defined by
>> ontology; for this is the only knowledge domain studying the Being of
>> Everything which is, happens and relates.
>
> Not trying to start a nit picky argument, but I had always thought that real
> semantics are defined by how a term is used and what it is linked to in a
> physical world (which of course can be captured and expressed in an
> ontology). Otherwise any ontology is just a huge circular reference (like
> the english dictionary when void of any grounding.
>
> How can one define and convey the true meaning of spicy food, heat, pain etc
> without the corresponding grounding experience?
>
> Duane (06)
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