Referring of course to Ontology as the study of being. I have not read
Goedel. (01)
D (02)
On 7/31/07 4:54 PM, "Duane Nickull" <dnickull@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: (03)
> Peter:
>
> That jives with my beliefs, as crooked and warped as they may be.
>
> ;-)
>
> /d
>
>
> On 7/31/07 2:13 PM, "Peter F Brown" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Duane:
>> You are right. This goes to the heart of the issue of "vicious circularity"
>> that Whitehead and Russell had thought was sorted with Principia Mathematica,
>> until Kurt Gödel came along and demolished their shiny, perfect, world. An
>> ontology is not just some self-referencing and self-sustaining model that is
>> somehow "complete"; it points out to the real world, as you rightly say.
>>
>> Before there is a flame war on this, I should underline that we discussed
>> this
>> extensively at the Ontology Summit, and there was an (uncomfortable for some)
>> consensus that there is "Ontology" as *the* study of being; and there are
>> "ontologies" that are domain-specific encapsulations of some aspect of the
>> real world.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Duane Nickull
>> Sent: 31 July 2007 16:05
>> To: [ontolog-forum]; John F. Sowa
>> Cc: 'SW-forum'
>> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Current Semantic Web Layer Cake
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/31/07 12:46 PM, "Azamat" <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> The real semantics or meanings of any symbolism or notation is defined by
>>> ontology; for this is the only knowledge domain studying the Being of
>>> Everything which is, happens and relates.
>>
>> Not trying to start a nit picky argument, but I had always thought that real
>> semantics are defined by how a term is used and what it is linked to in a
>> physical world (which of course can be captured and expressed in an
>> ontology). Otherwise any ontology is just a huge circular reference (like
>> the english dictionary when void of any grounding.
>>
>> How can one define and convey the true meaning of spicy food, heat, pain etc
>> without the corresponding grounding experience?
>>
>> Duane (04)
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