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Re: [ontolog-forum] to concept or not to concept, is this a question?

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From: Pat Hayes <phayes@xxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:50:25 -0500
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>I am writing up against a deadline and suddenly 
>I realise that one of the foundational artifacts 
>in ontology is being questioned on this list 
>'the concept'. and 'the conceptualization'
>  If I take out the word concept from all the 
>papers that I am referencing, ontology as a 
>science end ups like a colander, full of holes
>If I take out concepts from my mind, my brain 
>stops thinking. I cannot see anything anymore. I 
>go blind Everything in my mind is a concept, as 
>far as I can tell.    (01)

Have you no ideas, no thoughts, no propositions 
you will assent to or deny? When you speak and 
write, you use words. All of these are much more 
concrete than 'concepts'.    (02)

>Yet I now feel that, given these discussion, 
>maybe I should justify the word 'concept each 
>time I use it (by concept I mean....)    (03)

That's what comes from talking to too many philosophers. :-)    (04)

>somehow this is slowing me down This question has started to bug me
>I personally think that 'concept' is a rather 
>elementary and necessary expression of thinking 
>and a artifact of knowledge representation
>Have you,  guys who don't think with concepts, 
>written a paper, are you serious, or just joking?    (05)

Im serious.    (06)

>What are you going to substitute concept with?    (07)

Nothing. Im going to do without it. I don't know 
what they are, these concept-thingies. I know 
what language and Krep are, and I know what 
logics and formalisms are. And I know, well 
enough for our purposes, what the world is like 
(and where to find out more if I need to). Thats 
all I seem to need. Why confuse things by adding 
mysterious concepts?    (08)

Pat    (09)

>Thanks a lot
>Paola Di Maio *****(slightly disturbed)
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