Barry, (01)
>Brainwaves and neurophysiological signalling are necessary for
>ontology-building, too. But ontologies are not representations of
>brain-waves. And ontologies are not specifications of
>electroneurophysiological signals. (02)
Isn't that a bit of a reductionist argument? (03)
I can't "reduce" ontogological concepts to brainwaves, and this sounds like I
can't reduce them to "mental states" associated with such signals, nor internal
language etc. - things involved in a semantic theory of mental content which
argues that there is an isomorphism between the causal roles of such contents
and the inferential web of beliefs. Some like Jerry Fodor don't argue for a
isomorphism across all of these levels but still want to have mental states as
an explanatory device. (04)
Gary Berg-Cross
EM&I
Herndon VA
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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] to concept or not to concept, is this a question? (06)
Brainwaves and neurophysiological signalling are necessary for
ontology-building, too. But ontologies are not representations of
brain-waves. And ontologies are not specifications of
electroneurophysiological signals.
BS (07)
At 08:13 AM 6/15/2007, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>Azamat,
>
>thanks. I do not disagree with anything below. The correct use of
>concepts, and derived terms, is indeed in the mind, not in the
>machine, obviously.
>
>However for humans to formalize the 'sensible signs' that you refer
>to, conceptualization
>of thoughts in their mind is a necessary step.
>
>In fact, before humans can produce something that machine can use, a
>lot of conceptualization get scrapped (iterations)
>
>Eventually, after refinement, concepts take a shape that can be
>consistently expressed and
> via diagrams, notation. languages, etc
>What the machine will interpret, has to be first processed in the human mind
>And concepts are a device for that processing to take place, imho...
>
>PDM
>
>On 6/15/07, Azamat Abdoullaev
><<mailto:abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>Paola,
>
>Try to explain your concerns in a more systematic way. Knowledge systems, as
>semantic web applications, thinking machines, etc., are all designed to be
>using ''sensible'' signs (physical signals, codes, or words) in order to
>process and communicate information about things, processes, facts, rules,
>laws, feelings, ideas, thoughts, or concepts.
>
>Unlike the human brain, in the intelligent machines the symbolic codes
>signify things directly without the agency of concepts, constructs, notions,
>categories or abstractions. This means that the nature of mechanical meaning
>is dependent on the types of symbols and the kinds of things these symbols
>denote (symbolize, stand for or name) or represent. And that knowledge
>machines are devoid of mental experience or meaningful mental constructs.
>
>The symbols processed by the mechanical intelligence are the signs of
>entities and hence they get their significance without the mediation of the
>conceptions of human intellect ( note, the signification, not meaning; for
>the symbol signifies, via denotation and representation, while the construct
>means, via sense and reference). That is why the significance of symbols is
>rather to come directly from the real objects denoted and their
>relationships connoted, thus leaving off all the conceptual troubles
>discommoding human beings.
>
>With best regards,
>
>Azamat
> (08)
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