not quite sure what the point here was ;) (01)
in what way does an opinion differ from a statement of fact? if i say
'this discussion is useless' and you all disagree, then it is my
subjective opinion, and if you all agree, then it is a statement of
fact -- ? (02)
as already mentioned here by someone, we may be in big trouble trying to
discern what is about a fact and what only purports to be. how do we
then recognize something as a statement of fact, to be sure it is not
merely an opinion? the history of science teaches us that many
statements of fact were not correct (according to our current opinions). (03)
since you invoke common sense, how is it supposed to support making the
distinction? there can also be common nonsense, and to be sure your
distinction between one and the other is based on common sense rather
than on common nonsense you need first to distinguish these two...
using common sense? (04)
vQ (05)
Peter F Brown wrote:
> I think most mortals using common sense would have no difficulty in making
>the distinction between an opinion and a statement of fact. The fact that
>seasoned logicians seem to have augers very badly (and thankfully) for any
>future for so-called "artificial intelligence" ;-)
>
> Peter
>
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> well, to be strict, that is clearly *not* a statement about someone's
> opinion, but rather about someone's actions; 'she says' does not imply
> 'she believes'.
>
> but ignoring these picky details, what would 'concerned with opinion
> rather than with facts' mean, so that one could classify a statement as
> subjective rather than objective? what should the form of a statement
> be so that you would say 'that is clearly a subjective statement'?
>
> vQ
>
>
> John F. Sowa wrote:
>> Wacek,
>>
>> That is clearly an objective statement about somebody's
>> subjective opinion:
>>
>> > It sounds as if my saying 'the earth is flat' were
>> > an objective statement, while 'i think that the earth
>> > is flat' were a subjective statement. Is my saying
>> > 'she says the earth is flat' an objective or a
>> > subjective statement?
>>
>> In fact, journalists take advantage of that loophole:
>>
>> 1. Opinions in a newspaper are supposed to be confined
>> to the editorial pages.
>>
>> 2. The news pages are supposed to be objective.
>>
>> 3. But the news pages can contain quotations by
>> politicians who state their opinions.
>>
>> 4. Therefore, journalists can claim objectivity while
>> biasing their reporting by their choice of quotations.
>>
>> John
>>
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