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From: Jack Teller <drjackteller@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:04:21 -0500
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Christopher Menzel wrote:
On Jan, at 10:24 Jan , Deborah MacPherson wrote:
  
Why does it have to be a word? Why cant it be a drawing instead? An  
unlabeled map, or labels of ontology specific words could turn on  
and off.

By drawing I mean the full extent of one universal view governed by  
one ontology. Another area, another ontology, a different drawing.
    
Chris,  I heartily agree with your proposal
JackTeller
  

I think it would be really cool if folks would reply by interleaving  
their responses with relevant portions (only) of the messages they  
are responding to.  It's hard on list members to have to dig through  
50, 100, 200 lines of unedited conversation (including multiple  
copies of the list signature) to try to figure out what, in the  
message being responded to, prompted the various parts of a "top- 
posted" reply -- and it certainly dulls the luster of a nice, punchy  
reply.  I know Outlook (among other mailers) encourages top-posting,  
and that it requires a little (or maybe even a lot) more time and  
care to go against the grain, but I'd urge everyone, for the sake of  
efficiency and civility, to avoid top-posting and to interleave their  
replies.

<OldUsenetJoke>
Answer: Because it interrupts the natural flow of a conversation.
Question: Why is it good not to top-post?
</OldUsenetJoke>

Chris Menzel

ps: Following included for illustrative purposes only:

  
On 1/19/07, Pat Hayes <phayes@xxxxxxx> wrote: >  > Facet
    
 Assembly

 Bound or Bounded

 Prime (as in an indivisible prime number)

 Set

 Totality

 or

 Resource
        
er... what problem is being sorted out here? All of these
terms are already overloaded to the nth degree and
have non-overlapping meanings; as does
Aspect. If there was ever a good example of why ontology
can and should use an axiomatised formalisation
instead of natural language terms, then
I guess this is it! :-)
      
I entirely agree. It is impossible to use a
normal English word to express something
technical without  its being overloaded.

I have another problem with this thread: I have
no idea what, er, concept is being discussed.
Charles said:

"....  a universal, non-divisible idea.  This "concept"
when combined with others forms the definition of an entity."

Wha?? First, what distinguishes "universal" ideas
from (I presume) non-universal ones? Second, what
does it mean for an idea to be "divisible"?
Third, what kind of combination are we talking
about? I would suggest (following Fodor) that the
key idea here is not the things you are calling
'concepts', which in almost every detailed
account that has ever been put forward turn out
to be little more than nodes in a graph or points
in a space, but rather the 'combinations' that
they take part in, or rather still the
*structure* of these combinations. It is the
space (or maybe, the network, or the relational
structure, or whatever one wants to call it)
which matters and which gives the
points/nodes/names/identifiers in it the
"conceptual" structure that they have.

Pat Hayes

    
John B.

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