Yes. Persist" (01)
To be maintained across session boundaries, usually in nonvolatile storage
such as a database system or a directory.
publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/adiehelp/topic/com.ibm.wsinted.glossary.do
c/topics/glossary.html (02)
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=define%3A+persist&btnG=G
oogle+Search (03)
For those of us who still write code and work on enterprise architecture it
is a very simple, unambiguous notion. (04)
Duane (05)
On 2/5/08 5:27 PM, "Sharma, Ravi" <Ravi.Sharma@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: (06)
> Peter
> I would like comment on B -which perhaps does not make sense without the
> word and implied mechanism of input or "storage". Does the verb
> "persist" imply storage?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ravi
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: oor-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:oor-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Baclawski
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 5:44 PM
> To: OpenOntologyRepository-discussion
> Subject: Re: [oor-forum] Defining "Ontology Repository" (maybe
> "OntologyRegistry" too) for the OOR Initiative
>
> (A)
>
> -- Ken
>
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Peter Yim wrote:
>
>> We now have two candidate definitions to adopt:
>>
>> * Candidate-(A): the definition of "ontology repository" for the OOR
> initiative
>>
>> "An ontology repository is a facility where ontologies and related
>> information artifacts can be stored, retrieved and managed."
>>
>> * Candidate-(B): the definition of "ontology repository" and "ontology
>> registry" for the OOR initiative
>>
>> "An ontology repository is a facility or facilities where ontology
>> related artifacts may be persisted and retrieved."
>> and,
>> "An ontology registry is where metadata can be declared governing
>> the storage, semantics, ownership and access policies for artifacts
>> persisted in the ontology repository."
>>
>> ALL: please cast your vote by replying to this thread and indicate
>> (A), (B) or "abstain." Voting closes at 8:30am PST / 11:30am EST /
>> 16:30 UTC on Thu 2008.02.07
>>
>>
>> Thanks & regards. =ppy
>>
>> P.S. Rex and Ken, please cast your vote again, sorry. =ppy
>> --
>>
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2008 5:35 AM, <dbedford@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> Correct.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Denise
>>
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2008 4:05 AM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Thank you, Denise. I assume that is for Duane's motion he made in:
>>>
>>>
>>> Duane Nickull wrote Feb 4, 2008 10:32 AM PST,
>>> //
>>>
>>> Motion made to adopt these definitions instead:
>>>
>>> 1. An Ontology repository is a facility or facilities where ontology
> related
>>> artifacts may be persisted and retrieved.
>>>
>>> 2. An Ontology Registry is where metadata can be declared governing
> the
>>> storage, semantics, ownership and access policies for artifacts
> persisted in
>>> the ontology repository.
>>>
>>> //
>>>
>>> (please let us know otherwise.)
>>>
>>> Thanks & regards. =ppy
>>>
>>> P.S. since I have other commitments today, I will not be able to
> make a
>>> post (about the next step in the process) right after the previously
>>> discussed cut-off time for submitting new candidate definitions, but
> will
>>> only be able to post about that later in the day. That cut-off time
> is still
>>> in effect, though (since no one objected yesterday.) Please note.
> Tx. =ppy
>>> --
>>
>>> On Feb 5, 2008 3:41 AM, <dbedford@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> I second Duane's motion so we can move forward to vote.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Denise
>>
>>
>> On Feb 4, 2008 2:53 PM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> All,
>>>
>>> As mentioned previously, I was hoping we could summarily adopt the
>>> motion that has been outstanding so we could move ahead with the
>>> initiative and do something concrete.
>>>
>>> I am equally as happy that there are some last minute input, but hope
>>> we can wrap this up soon enough, to be fair to those who had
> actually
>>> spend time at the meeting to discuss the subject matter, and voiced
>>> their opinion within the time set aside for discussion.
>>>
>>> Unless there are objections, let us try to close this (the discussion
>>> and possible new motions) and line up all the motion(s) (included
>>> seconded ones) for a vote by 8:16am PST / 11:16am EST / 16:16 UTC
>>> tomorrow 2008.02.05 (i.e. 1-day after we originally meant to start
>>> voting.)
>>>
>>> Thanks & regards. =ppy
>>>
>>> P.S. by the way, there is still only one motion out there, stiil.
> =ppy
>>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2008 10:32 AM, Duane Nickull <dnickull@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Motion made to adopt these definitions instead:
>>
>>>> 1. An Ontology repository is a facility or facilities where ontology
> related
>>>> artifacts may be persisted and retrieved.
>>>>
>>>> 2. An Ontology Registry is where metadata can be declared governing
> the
>>>> storage, semantics, ownership and access policies for artifacts
> persisted in
>>>> the ontology repository.
>>>>
>>>> Any seconders?
>>>>
>>>> Duane
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2008 9:06 AM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> Denise and Duane,
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate your new input.
>>>>
>>>> Since we have moved beyond the debate/discussion window[1], and your
>>>> proposals are clear enough to not require much further discourse,
> may
>>>> I suggest you each make a formal motion, and get a second to your
>>>> proposed definition, and we move forward from there (and have people
>>>> vote on them.)
>>>>
>>>> [1] ref.
>>>>
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/oor-forum/2008-01/msg00018.html#nid05
>>>> &
>>>>
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/oor-forum/2008-02/msg00000.html#nid02
>>>>
>>>> Thanks & regards. =ppy
>>>> --
>>
>>
>>>> On Feb 4, 2008 8:16 AM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Since we have not received alternate candidates, there is only one
>>>>> candidate definition put forth, by the attendees of the 23-Jan-2008
>>>>> OOR Founding Members meeting, for "Ontology Repository," which
> reads:
>>>>>
>>>>> "An ontology repository is a facility where ontologies and
> related
>>>>> information artifacts can be stored, retrieved and managed."
>>>>>
>>>>> We will open this up for voting (please do so by responding to this
>>>>> thread) in the next 48 hours (two working-days.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Let us try to get general consent and summarily adopt this if we
> can:
>>>>> ... If we do not receive two (2) or more objections to adopting
> the
>>>>> above, we will summarily adopt this definition for the
>>>>> OpenOntologyRepository (OOR) initiative. If there are two (2) or
> more
>>>>> people objecting to the adoption, we will put it to a vote, and
>>>>> require a two-third majority (given it's importance) to adopt this
>>>>> definition.
>>>>>
>>>>> (While declaring positive support is always welcomed, if you are
> not
>>>>> raising an "objection" you do not necessarily have to cast your
> vote
>>>>> of support at this point.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks & regards. =ppy
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. since we are doing this for the first time here, any
>>>>> comments/suggestions on the process is also welcomed. I am just
> going
>>>>> by what we usually do at ONTOLOG. =ppy
>>>>> --
>>
>>
>>>>> On Feb 4, 2008 7:29 AM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> Thank you, ...[snip]...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Focusing on the subject matter (i.e. trying to get a (set of)
> definition adopted), do we have:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (a) alternate candidate definition(s) that anyone else want to put
> forth for "Ontology Repository" ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (b) any other definitions one may want to propose for adoption
> together with "Ontology Repository" (maybe "OntologyRegistry" ?) as a
> set?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please bring it up now (and quickly, along with someone to second
> the motion). We will be putting the whole subject matter to a vote in 20
> minutes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks & regards. =ppy
>>>>>> --
>>
>>
>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2008 1:43 AM, Dennis Nicholson
> <d.m.nicholson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> ...[snip]...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sending this to you for information ...[snip]...
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> Dennis Nicholson
>>
>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: oor-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:oor-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter
> Yim
>>>>>>> Sent: 01 February 2008 15:48
>>>>>>> To: OpenOntologyRepository-discussion
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [oor-forum] Defining "Ontology Repository" (maybe
>>>>>>> "OntologyRegistry" too) for the OOR Initiative
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The seven days we set aside for discussion has come and gone, and
> 16 or so
>>>>>>> exchanges were made on the subject matter. It is about time to
> bring this to
>>>>>>> closure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So far we still have only one (well formed) proposed candidate
> for our
>>>>>>> definition of "Ontology Repository," and that is:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Candidate-(A): "An ontology repository is a facility where
>>>>>>> ontologies and related information artifacts can be stored,
> retrieved and
>>>>>>> managed."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll wait 3 calendar days for anyone to propose and second other
> candidates.
>>>>>>> Past this time next Monday 2008.02.04, we will put things to a
> vote.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I concur with Lee that:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lee Feigenbaum wrote an 23, 2008 10:08 PM EST
>>>>>>>> [LF] there was a consensus understanding in general of the
>>>>>>>> distinction between a repository and a registry -- if we agree
> on a
>>>>>>>> definition for a repository (which is our end goal, if I
> understand
>>>>>>>> the project correctly :-), then perhaps we do not need to
> belabor a
>>>>>>>> definition of ontology registry as well
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the documented discussion during our Jan-23 meeting on
> what a
>>>>>>> "registry" is (ref.
>>>>>>>
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2008_01_23#ni
> d17U
>>>>>>> R
>>>>>>> ) is enough to allow us to move forward.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Therefore, if you have alternative candidate definitions for
> "Ontology
>>>>>>> Repository", please response to this message and make a motion
> for its
>>>>>>> adoption by this team. Please try to find someone to second your
> motion too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks & regards. =ppy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.S. Once again, I hope we can just summarily adopt the above
> definition
>>>>>>> (if there are no alternative proposals, and no objections) and go
> forward.
>>>>>>> =ppy
>>>>>>> --
>>
>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 23, 2008 12:02 PM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In particular, were made an attempt (and came close) to
> adopting a
>>>>>>>>> definition for "ontology repository" (possibly even "ontology
>>>>>>>>> registry"), but decided to put this up for asynchronous
> discussion
>>>>>>>>> deliberation due to time constraints.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ref.
>>>>>>>>
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2008_01_23#
>>>>>>>> nid17US
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We were close ... (and have got to):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "An ontology repository is a facility where ontologies and
> related
>>>>>>>> information artifacts can be stored, retrieved and managed."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let's open this up for discussion and then put it to a vote
> after 7
>>>>>>>> calendar days (from the time-stamp of this message).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Feel free to attempt defining "ontology registry" or "registry"
> too.
>>>>>>>> If we are getting close, we'll adopt that as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks & regards. =ppy
>>>>>>>> --
>>
>>
>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>> From: Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Date: Jan 23, 2008 11:55 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [oor-forum] Founding Members Meeting of the Open
> Ontology
>>>>>>>> Repository (OOR) Initiative - Wed 2008.01.23
>>>>>>>> To: oor-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We had a very fruitful meeting today, thanks to all who were
> able to join
>>>>>>> us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For those who were able to call in, the proceedings are captured
> at
>>>>>>>> the session page at:
>>>>>>>>
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2008_01_23
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In particular, were made an attempt (and came close) to adopting
> a
>>>>>>>> definition for "ontology repository" (possibly even "ontology
>>>>>>>> registry"), but decided to put this up for asynchronous
> discussion
>>>>>>>> deliberation due to time constraints. (I'll start a thread on
> this in
>>>>>>>> a moment.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very encouraging is the fact that the NIST-Ontology-NCOR-...
>>>>>>>> co-organized "OntologySummit2008" has adopted "Toward An Open
> Ontology
>>>>>>>> Repository" as the main theme this year. We are looking forward
> to
>>>>>>>> bootstrap from that initiative. Ideas as to how we could do it
> would
>>>>>>>> be welcome.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Our next call is scheduled for Wed 2008.02.13 - 1.5 Hr. starting
> at:
>>>>>>>> 1pm PST / 4pm EST / 21:00 GMT/UTC.
>>>>>>>> Please mark your calendars now and refer to details at the wiki
>>>>>>>> session page (closer to the time) at:
>>>>>>>>
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2008_02_13
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Look forward to having you all at the next meeting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards. =ppy
>>>>>>>> --
>>
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