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Re: [oor-forum] Defining "Ontology Repository" (maybe "OntologyRegistry"

To: OpenOntologyRepository-discussion <oor-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Pat Hayes <phayes@xxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:41:27 -0600
Message-id: <p06230906c3ce5e0da541@[10.100.0.43]>
At 8:30 AM -0800 2/5/08, Peter Yim wrote:
>We now have two candidate definitions to adopt:
>
>* Candidate-(A): the definition of "ontology 
>repository" for the OOR initiative
>
>     "An ontology repository is a facility where ontologies and related
>information artifacts can be stored, retrieved and managed."
>
>* Candidate-(B): the definition of "ontology repository" and "ontology
>registry" for the OOR initiative
>
>     "An ontology repository is a facility or facilities where ontology
>related artifacts may be persisted and retrieved."
>and,
>     "An ontology registry is where metadata can be declared governing
>the storage, semantics, ownership and access policies for artifacts
>persisted in the ontology repository."
>
>ALL: please cast your vote by replying to this thread and indicate
>(A), (B) or "abstain."  Voting closes at 8:30am PST / 11:30am EST /
>16:30 UTC on Thu 2008.02.07
>    (01)

I vote (A) on the grounds that "persist" is not a 
transitive verb in English, so (B) is meaningless.    (02)

Pat    (03)

>Thanks & regards.  =ppy
>
>P.S. Rex and Ken, please cast your vote again, sorry.  =ppy
>--
>
>
>On Feb 5, 2008 5:35 AM, <dbedford@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  Peter,
>>
>>  Correct.
>>
>>  Best regards,
>>  Denise
>
>
>On Feb 5, 2008 4:05 AM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>  Thank you, Denise.  I assume that is for Duane's motion he made in:
>>
>>
>>  Duane Nickull wrote Feb 4, 2008 10:32 AM PST,
>>  //
>>
>>  Motion made to adopt these definitions instead:
>>
>>  1. An Ontology repository is a facility or facilities where ontology related
>>   artifacts may be persisted and retrieved.
>>
>>  2. An Ontology Registry is where metadata can be declared governing the
>>  storage, semantics, ownership and access policies for artifacts persisted in
>>  the ontology repository.
>>
>>  //
>>
>>  (please let us know otherwise.)
>>
>>  Thanks & regards.  =ppy
>>
>>  P.S.  since I have other commitments today, I will not be able to make a
>>  post (about the next step in the process) right after the previously
>>  discussed cut-off time for submitting new candidate definitions, but will
>>  only be able to post about that later in the day. That cut-off time is still
>>  in effect, though (since no one objected yesterday.) Please note.   Tx. =ppy
>>   --
>
>>  On Feb 5, 2008 3:41 AM, <dbedford@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>  >
>>  > All,
>>  >
>>  > I second Duane's motion so we can move forward to vote.
>>  >
>>  > Best regards,
>>  >
>>  > Denise
>
>
>On Feb 4, 2008 2:53 PM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>  All,
>>
>>  As mentioned previously, I was hoping we could summarily adopt the
>>  motion that has been outstanding so we could move ahead with the
>>  initiative and do something concrete.
>>
>>  I am equally as happy that there are some last minute input, but hope
>>  we can wrap this up soon enough,  to be fair to those who had actually
>>  spend time at the meeting to discuss the subject matter, and voiced
>>  their opinion within the time set aside for discussion.
>>
>>  Unless there are objections, let us try to close this (the discussion
>>  and possible  new motions) and line up all the motion(s) (included
>>  seconded ones) for a vote by 8:16am PST / 11:16am EST / 16:16 UTC
>>  tomorrow 2008.02.05 (i.e. 1-day after we originally meant to start
>>  voting.)
>>
>>  Thanks & regards.  =ppy
>>
>>  P.S. by the way, there is still only one motion out there, stiil.  =ppy
>>  --
>
>
>
>>  On Feb 4, 2008 10:32 AM, Duane Nickull <dnickull@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>  >
>>  >   Motion made to adopt these definitions instead:
>
>>  > 1. An Ontology repository is a facility or 
>>facilities where ontology related
>>  > artifacts may be persisted and retrieved.
>>  >
>>  > 2. An Ontology Registry is where metadata can be declared governing the
>>  > storage, semantics, ownership and access 
>>policies for artifacts persisted in
>>  > the ontology repository.
>>  >
>>  > Any seconders?
>  > >
>>  > Duane
>
>
>>  On Feb 4, 2008 9:06 AM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>  > > Denise and Duane,
>>  >
>>  > I appreciate your new input.
>>  >
>>  > Since we have moved beyond the debate/discussion window[1], and your
>>  > proposals are clear enough to not require much further discourse, may
>>  > I suggest you each make a formal motion, and get a second to your
>>  > proposed definition, and we move forward from there (and have people
>>  > vote on them.)
>>  >
>>  > [1]  ref.
>>  >   http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/oor-forum/2008-01/msg00018.html#nid05
>>  > &
>>  >   http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/oor-forum/2008-02/msg00000.html#nid02
>>  >
>>  > Thanks & regards.  =ppy
>>  > --
>
>
>>  > On Feb 4, 2008 8:16 AM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>  > > All,
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > > Since we have not received alternate candidates, there is only one
>>  > > candidate definition put forth, by the attendees of the 23-Jan-2008
>>  > > OOR Founding Members meeting,  for "Ontology Repository," which reads:
>>  > >
>>  > >    "An ontology repository is a facility where ontologies and related
>>  > > information artifacts can be stored, retrieved and managed."
>>  > >
>>  > > We will open this up for voting (please do so by responding to this
>>  > > thread) in the next 48 hours (two working-days.)
>>  > >
>>  > > Let us try to get general consent and summarily adopt this if we can:
>>  > > ...  If we do not receive two (2) or more objections to adopting the
>>  > > above, we will summarily adopt this definition for the
>>  > > OpenOntologyRepository (OOR) initiative. If there are two (2) or more
>>  > > people objecting to the adoption, we will put it to a vote, and
>>  > > require a two-third majority (given it's importance) to adopt this
>>  > > definition.
>>  > >
>>  > > (While declaring positive support is always welcomed, if you are not
>>  > > raising an "objection" you do not necessarily have to cast your vote
>>  > > of support at this point.)
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > > Thanks & regards.  =ppy
>>  > >
>>  > > P.S. since we are doing this for the first time here, any
>>  > > comments/suggestions on the process is also welcomed. I am just going
>>  > > by what we usually do at ONTOLOG.  =ppy
>>  > > --
>
>
>>  > > On Feb 4, 2008 7:29 AM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>  > > > Thank you, ...[snip]...
>>  > > >
>>  > > > Focusing on the subject matter (i.e. 
>>trying to get a (set of) definition adopted), 
>>do we have:
>>  > > >
>>  > > > (a) alternate candidate definition(s) 
>>that anyone else want to put forth for 
>>"Ontology Repository" ?
>>  > > >
>>  > > > (b) any other definitions one may want 
>>to propose for adoption together with "Ontology 
>>Repository" (maybe "OntologyRegistry" ?) as a 
>>set?
>>  > > >
>>  > > > Please bring it up now (and quickly, 
>>along with someone to second the motion). We 
>>will be putting the whole subject matter to a 
>>vote in 20 minutes.
>>  > > >
>>  > > > Thanks & regards.  =ppy
>>  > > > --
>
>
>>  > > > On Feb 4, 2008 1:43 AM, Dennis Nicholson 
>><d.m.nicholson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>  > > >
>>  > >  ...[snip]...
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > > I'm sending this to you for information  ...[snip]...
>>  > > > > ---------------------------------------------
>>  > > > > Dennis Nicholson
>
>
>>  > > > > -----Original Message-----
>>  > > > > From: oor-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>  > > > > [mailto:oor-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Yim
>>  > > > > Sent: 01 February 2008 15:48
>>  > > > > To: OpenOntologyRepository-discussion
>>  > > > > Subject: Re: [oor-forum] Defining "Ontology Repository" (maybe
>>  > > > > "OntologyRegistry" too) for the OOR Initiative
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > > Folks,
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > > The seven days we set aside for 
>>discussion has come and gone, and 16 or so
>>  > > > > exchanges were made on the subject 
>>matter. It is about time to bring this to
>>  > > > > closure.
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > > So far we still have only one (well 
>>formed) proposed candidate for our
>>  > > > > definition of "Ontology Repository," and that is:
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > > Candidate-(A):   "An ontology repository is a facility where
>>  > > > > ontologies and related information 
>>artifacts can be stored, retrieved and
>>  > > > > managed."
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > > I'll wait 3 calendar days for anyone 
>>to propose and second other candidates.
>  > > > > > Past this time next Monday 
>2008.02.04, we will put things to a vote.
>  > > > > >
>>  > > > > I concur with Lee that:
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > > Lee Feigenbaum  wrote an 23, 2008 10:08 PM EST
>>  > > > > > [LF]  there was a consensus understanding in general of the
>>  > > > > > distinction between a repository and 
>>a registry -- if we agree on a
>>  > > > > > definition for a repository (which 
>>is our end goal, if I understand
>>  > > > > > the project correctly :-), then 
>>perhaps we do not need to belabor a
>>  > > > > > definition of ontology registry as well
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > > I think the documented discussion 
>>during our Jan-23 meeting on what a
>>  > > > > "registry" is (ref.
>>  > > > > 
>>http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2008_01_23#nid17U
>>  > > > > R
>>  > > > > ) is enough to allow us to move forward.
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > > Therefore, if you have alternative 
>>candidate definitions for "Ontology
>>  > > > > Repository", please response to this 
>>message and make a motion for its
>>  > > > > adoption by this team. Please try to 
>>find someone to second your motion too.
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > > Thanks & regards.  =ppy
>>  > > > >
>>  > > > > P.S.  Once again, I hope we can just 
>>summarily adopt the above definition
>>  > > > > (if there are no alternative 
>>proposals, and no objections) and go forward.
>>  > > > > =ppy
>>  > > > > --
>
>
>>  > > > > On Jan 23, 2008 12:02 PM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>  > > > > > > In particular, were made an 
>>attempt (and came close) to adopting a
>>  > > > > > > definition for "ontology repository" (possibly even "ontology
>>  > > > > > > registry"), but decided to put 
>>this up for asynchronous discussion
>>  > > > > > > deliberation due to time constraints.
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > > > Ref.
>>  > > > > > 
>>http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2008_01_23#
>>  > > > > > nid17US
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > > > We were close ... (and have got to):
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > > > "An ontology repository is a facility where ontologies and related
>>  > > > > > information artifacts can be stored, retrieved and managed."
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > > > Let's open this up for discussion 
>>and then put it to a vote after 7
>>  > > > > > calendar days (from the time-stamp of this message).
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > > > Feel free to attempt defining 
>>"ontology registry" or "registry" too.
>>  > > > > > If we are getting close, we'll adopt that as well.
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > > > Thanks & regards.  =ppy
>>  > > > > > --
>
>
>>  > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>  > > > > > From: Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
>>  > > > > > Date: Jan 23, 2008 11:55 AM
>>  > > > > > Subject: Re: [oor-forum] Founding 
>>Members Meeting of the Open Ontology
>>  > > > > > Repository (OOR) Initiative - Wed 2008.01.23
>>  > > > > > To: oor-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > > > We had a very fruitful meeting 
>>today, thanks to all who were able to join
>>  > > > > us.
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > > > For those who were able to call in, 
>>the proceedings are captured at
>>  > > > > > the session page at:
>>  > > > > > 
>>http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2008_01_23
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > > > In particular, were made an attempt (and came close) to adopting a
>>  > > > > > definition for "ontology repository" (possibly even "ontology
>>  > > > > > registry"), but decided to put this up for asynchronous discussion
>>  > > > > > deliberation due to time 
>>constraints. (I'll start a thread on this in
>>  > > > > > a moment.)
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > > > Very encouraging is the fact that the NIST-Ontology-NCOR-...
>>  > > > > > co-organized "OntologySummit2008" 
>>has adopted "Toward An Open Ontology
>>  > > > > > Repository" as the main theme this year. We are looking forward to
>>  > > > > > bootstrap from that initiative. 
>>Ideas as to how we could do it would
>>  > > > > > be welcome.
>>  > > > > >
>>  > > > > > Our next call is scheduled for Wed 
>>2008.02.13 - 1.5 Hr. starting at:
>>  > > > > > 1pm PST / 4pm EST / 21:00 GMT/UTC.
>>  > > > > > Please mark your calendars now and refer to details at the wiki
>>  > > > > > session page (closer to the time) at:
>>  > > > > > 
>>http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2008_02_13
>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > Look forward to having you all at the next meeting.
>  > > > > > >
>>  > > > > > Regards.  =ppy
>>  > > > > > --
>
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