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Re: [ontology-summit] Ontology Summit 2015 Theme

To: Ontology Summit 2011 discussion <ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Jack Ring <jring7@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 09:18:09 -0700
Message-id: <32EF1532-100C-4FF4-B84A-C282B722B74B@xxxxxxxxx>
Makes sense to me.
Jack
On Nov 8, 2014, at 7:17 AM, Anatoly Levenchuk <ailev@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:    (01)

> One more option is use the same distinction that in Net (TCP/IP,
> information-agnostic) and Web (HTTP, hyper-text and accompanied pictures).
> 
> Neuronet working group rename itself into neuroweb when they accent that not
> interested merely in transport (internet, other net) but more interested in
> neuro information (e.g. neurons activity in brain) transmission over any
> net. And call result (mutual communicating brains and brain particular
> neuron groups, things from IoT, traditional WWW websites, intellectual
> software agents, etc.) neuroweb. It means "web that build on
> neurointerfaces, i.e. brain-machine interaces", not "internet build on
> TCP/IP interfaces".
> 
> If we will not cover transport (TCP/IP) level, may be better we will call
> our topic "web of thing", not "internet of thing".
> 
> By the way, "thing" in many ontologies means "everything" and is the root of
> type hierarchy. Thus WoT for ontologists is equal to WoE ;-) Because
> relations, processes etc. is also "thing" type, Jack Ring suggestion is also
> answered ;-)
> 
> Best regards,
> Anatoly
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontology-
>> summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jack Ring
>> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 7:32 AM
>> To: Ontology Summit 2011 discussion
>> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Ontology Summit 2015 Theme
>> 
>> All,
>> It may be useful to note that the shift in focus is from what a system IS
> to
>> what a system DOES.
>> Net-centric emphasized the happenings among the things. This is where the
>> whole systems community is evolving, particularly toward intelligent
>> autonomy for coping with non-deterministic situations.
>> Accordingly ontology which focuses on things rather than on happenings
>> MUST be broadened to include the recitation of the permissible
> interrelations
>> of the things. Classes vs. Types. Probably we need to seriously consider
>> Weinberg's perspective that relationships (operators) are things, too.
> Then we
>> can leverage perspective shift.
>> Jack Ring
>> 
>> On Nov 7, 2014, at 8:45 PM, Hans Polzer <hpolzer@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ram,
>>> 
>>> Just want to support your position. We ran into similar issues with
>>> the term Net-centric 10 years ago in the DoD context. People thought
>>> that meant we believe that the network was the center or focus of
>>> activity. On the contrary, the term net-centric was intended to
>>> contrast with the traditional "system-centric", or
>>> "organization/enterprise-centric", or even "capability-centric"
>>> approach. The whole point wasn't about centering or focusing on the
>>> network, but rather on the interactions that the network enabled among
>>> systems, enterprises, people, and, yes, things in ways that are not
>>> possible in the system or enterprise or thing-centered view of the
>>> world. It's really about enabling interactions among entities across
>>> system, cultural, organizational, operational/functional domain, and,
>>> yes, device, boundaries. It's also important to realize that these
>>> boundaries don't go away - which is a major problem with the IOT meme:
>>> devices don't exist in some vacuum and just decide to interact with
>>> each other over available network connections. The issue is how to
>>> accomplish things by leveraging resources that may be owned/controlled
>>> by some entity on the other side of some boundary. It's important to
>>> respect and understand the significance of the boundary in the context
>>> of why one is attempting to cross it and use that resource, while at the
> same
>> time discovering the availability of that resource and facilitating/easing
> the
>> interaction across the boundary.
>>> Semantics and related business model and relationship issues are key
>>> to accomplishing that goal. Pretending these issues don't exist is a
>>> sure-fire way to inhibit achievement of the vision that the IOT
>>> advocates proclaim, even if one confines oneself to the quite narrow
>>> vision of device/sensor interoperability.
>>> 
>>> Hans
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sriram,
>>> Ram D.
>>> Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 11:32 AM
>>> To: Ontology Summit 2011 discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Ontology Summit 2015 Theme
>>> 
>>> Here is the rationale for the title:
>>> 
>>> Around 4yrs ago we came up with the title Smart Networked Systems and
>>> Societies (or Cyber-Physical Social Systems). The reason for this is
>>> explained in the summit proposal. Since IoT and IoE have become
>>> popular terms, I used IoE with the subtitle SNSS. I used IoE instead
>>> of IoT, as most of the conferences/workshops I attended (recently) on
>>> IoT do not deal with social networks at all (I believe that IoT's
>>> roots started at MIT with the AutoID program). They all focus on
>>> sensors and sometimes control.  An alternate title could be
>>> Ontological Foundations for  Cyber-Physical Social
>>> Systems|Internet of Things|Internet of Everything|Smart Networked
>>> Systems|Systems
>>> and Societies, where I indicates a choice.
>>> 
>>> The enclosed attachment provides further clarification on my thoughts
>>> on the terminology.
>>> 
>>> Ram
>>> 
>>> Ram D. Sriram
>>> Chief, Software and Systems Division
>>> Information Technology Laboratory
>>> National Institute of Standards and Technology Gaithersburg, MD 20899
> Tel.
>>> No: 301-975-3507 ________________________________________
>>> From: ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> <ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of John F Sowa
>>> <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 8:51 AM
>>> To: ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Ontology Summit 2015 Theme
>>> 
>>> On 7 November 2014 12:29, Mike Dean <mdean@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> I also believe Internet of Things may attract more participation.
>>> 
>>> I agree.  But note the subtitle that was suggested in the telecon:
>>> 
>>>> Toward Smart Networked Systems and Societies
>>> 
>>> The word 'everything' includes people, but the word 'things'
>>> usually excludes them.
>>> 
>>> Just adding one more "thing" to the Internet is trivial.
>>> The really challenging issues are how those things are going to work
>>> with people and societies of people.
>>> 
>>> One of the most serious issues is what to do about the bad people
>>> whose goal is to hack into everybody's things.
>>> 
>>> It takes a lot of talent to reverse engineer a smart device.
>>> But it doesn't take much talent to buy an app designed by a smart guy
>>> turned thief.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
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