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Re: [ontology-summit] First Model Bench Challenge

To: "doug@xxxxxxxxxx" <doug@xxxxxxxxxx>, Ontology Summit 2012 discussion <ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Cory Casanave <cory-c@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 12:29:48 -0400
Message-id: <B23E95FEF5A8F641B5798F35419555F277DF62A0ED@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Doug,
That was not actually the intent - the intent was to create a model of marriage 
for federation that included the UE and other definitions.  The EU definition 
is a subtype of the generic definition (which just asserts a set of spouses).  
Note then Christian Marriage which imposes more constraints.
-Cory    (01)

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> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of doug foxvog
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> On Thu, May 3, 2012 16:13, Wartik, Steven P \"Steve\" wrote:
> > That's up to you. What's your use case?
> 
> > You can make this as complicated as you like, but let's remember that
> > the original challenge was to define marriage according to the EU.
> 
> In that case we need a document stating the EU definition of marriage.
> 
> It should be simple enough to create an ontology to fit the specification.
> 
> > ... If that's too
> > broad, I personally will settle for a definition of marriage in Monaco.
> 
> FWIW, Monaco is not a member of the EU, so that does not necessarily fit the
> bill.
> 
> -- doug f
> 
> > Isn't it John Sowa's paper on formal logic fallacies that says it's
> > always best to start with a simple problem? Let's make the problem as
> > simple as we need to in order to get something we agree on.
> >
> > From: ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jack
> > Ring
> > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:46 PM
> > To: Ontology Summit 2012 discussion
> > Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] First Model Bench Challenge
> >
> >
> > The issue is: what does marriage signify? Government? Church? Mutual
> > commitment? What?
> > On May 2, 2012 1:53 PM, "Wartik, Steven P "Steve
> > <swartik@xxxxxxx<mailto:swartik@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
> > I wouldn't say it's unclear. It's governed by law, right? If you live
> > together for some number of years, you are entitled to have the state
> > recognize you as married. The date and time may not be as precise as
> > if you have a wedding ceremony but can nevertheless be established.
> > (Okay, I'm not a lawyer, and that's probably not the exact legal
> > definition.)
> >
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> > On Behalf Of doug foxvog
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:46 AM
> > To: Jack Ring
> > Cc: Ontology Summit 2012 discussion
> > Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] First Model Bench Challenge
> >
> > On Mon, April 30, 2012 20:44, Jack Ring wrote:
> >
> >> Marriage is a situation in which a couple BECOMES married.")
> >
> > That situation is the WeddingCeremony in the normal case.  In the case
> > of a common-law marriage, the start of the situation is unclear.
> >
> > -- doug foxvog
> >
> >> On Apr 30, 2012, at 1:39 PM, doug foxvog wrote:
> >
> >>> Marriage is a situation in which a couple is married.")
> >
> >
> >
> >
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