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Re: [ontology-summit] First Model Bench Challenge

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From: "doug foxvog" <doug@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 16:22:57 -0400
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On Thu, May 3, 2012 16:13, Wartik, Steven P \"Steve\" wrote:
> That's up to you. What's your use case?    (01)

> You can make this as complicated as you like, but let's remember that the
> original challenge was to define marriage according to the EU.    (02)

In that case we need a document stating the EU definition of marriage.    (03)

It should be simple enough to create an ontology to fit the specification.    (04)

> ... If that's too
> broad, I personally will settle for a definition of marriage in Monaco.    (05)

FWIW, Monaco is not a member of the EU, so that does not necessarily
fit the bill.    (06)

-- doug f    (07)

> Isn't it John Sowa's paper on formal logic fallacies that says it's always
> best to start with a simple problem? Let's make the problem as simple as
> we need to in order to get something we agree on.
>
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> [mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jack Ring
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> The issue is: what does marriage signify? Government? Church? Mutual
> commitment? What?
> On May 2, 2012 1:53 PM, "Wartik, Steven P "Steve
> <swartik@xxxxxxx<mailto:swartik@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
> I wouldn't say it's unclear. It's governed by law, right? If you live
> together for some number of years, you are entitled to have the state
> recognize you as married. The date and time may not be as precise as if
> you have a wedding ceremony but can nevertheless be established. (Okay,
> I'm not a lawyer, and that's probably not the exact legal definition.)
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> On Mon, April 30, 2012 20:44, Jack Ring wrote:
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>> Marriage is a situation in which a couple BECOMES married.")
>
> That situation is the WeddingCeremony in the normal case.  In the case of
> a common-law marriage, the start of the situation is unclear.
>
> -- doug foxvog
>
>> On Apr 30, 2012, at 1:39 PM, doug foxvog wrote:
>
>>> Marriage is a situation in which a couple is married.")
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