I second Ron's email. (01)
-Arun Majumdar,
CEO, VivoMind Research LLC (02)
On Apr 21, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Ron Wheeler wrote: (03)
> There is attribution on the site.
> Is there a better wording that would satisfy most contributors?
>
> The share-alike provision may be more difficult to deal with.
>
> It appears that appearance on the US government site puts material into the
>public domain in a license that is more generous than (cc by-sa 3.0).
> It appears that this is the reason that the US government wants a written
>release from the owner.
> The government does not want to have to deal with various rights regimes and
>their approach is to deal with it at the source.
>
> Who can give this release?
> Would that person give the US government the right to publish material from
>the forum?
>
> Once it is on the US site, the IP is really in the public domain.
> Would all of the contributors have to agree to the change of IP rights?
> The contributors have only agreed to a (cc by-sa 3.0) distribution at this
>point.
>
> It looks like Brand should take this material down until this written
>permission is obtained.
>
> If permission can not be given and the material is not removed within a few
>days, I would think that a written request should be sent to the government
>agency sponsoring the web site, outlining the fact that permission was not
>given to have the content posted.
>
> I am not a lawyer. This is just my take on the factual issues at stake.
>
> Lets keep the forum discussion at a factual level without personal
>characterizations or nastiness.
>
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> On 21/04/2012 9:28 AM, Peter Yim wrote:
>> To comply with our (cc by-sa 3.0) license, Brand Niemann will need to
>> do "Attribution and Share-Alike" - for details, please refer to
>> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
>>
>> =ppy
>> --
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 6:10 AM, My Coyne<mcoyne@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> I second Debmacp: "Either post the attribution or remove the content."
>>>
>>> My Coyne
>>> mcoyne@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> (cel): 301-399-6351
>>
>>> On Sat 21/04/12 9:05 AM , Debmacp debmacp@xxxxxxxxx sent:
>>>> Brand if your objective is to prove you are a brat you have succeeded.
>>>> Either post the attribution or remove the content.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Apr 21, 2012, at 8:23 AM, Peter Yim<peter.yim@
>>>> cim3.com> wrote:
>>>>> Brand,
>>>>>
>>>>> As I mentioned in my last response, whatever you
>>>> say to Jerry is> irrelevant to the case at hand. Please take that
>>>> off this mailing> list.
>>>>> Brand Niemann, would you stop creating
>>>> distractions and do what you> need to do, and let me repeat that again:
>STOP
>>>> YOUR INFRINGEMENT OF> OUR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTIES RIGHTS !
>>>>> =ppy
>>>>> --
>>
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Brand Niemann
>>>> <bniemann@cox
>>>> .net> wrote:>> Jerry, Since you and Peter want to persist
>>>> in this, I say: Stop it and>> Apologize.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also say: Write down what you heard me say
>>>> in that DoD meeting (where I>> was ask to present) what you heard me say
>>>> before, during, and after the>> meeting, and we can ask the four other
>>>> people in attendance what they heard.>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The purpose of the email was to say there
>>>> were witnesses to what I said in>> response to you and they were
>satisfied with
>>>> my answers.>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards, Brand
>>
>>>>>> From: jerrylsmit@xxxxxxx [jerrylsmit
>>>> @aol.com]>> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 9:41
>>>> PM>> To: bniemann@cox
>>>> .net; peter.yim@
>>>> cim3.com>> Cc: ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Summit
>>>> Website>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brand,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't recall any such words at
>>>> all.>>
>>>>>> Kindly explain what you are trying to do
>>>> with an email such as this.>>
>>>>>> Your statement is untrue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Brand Niemann<bniemann@cox
>>>> .net>>> To: 'Peter Yim'<peter.yim@
>>>> cim3.com>; jerrylsmit<jerrylsmit
>>>> @aol.com>>> Cc: 'Ontology Summit 2012
>discussion'<ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>> Sent: Fri, Apr 20, 2012 4:36
>pm
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [ontology-summit] Summit
>>>> Website>>
>>>>>> Peter, I just spoke with Jerry Smith in a
>>>> DoD meeting we were both in and>>
>>>>>> told him that I am informed that because
>>>> this was a government-sponsored and>>
>>>>>> -hosted event your content claims do not
>>>> have merit and interfere with my>>
>>>>>> work, so I would ask for an apology. Best
>>>> regards, Brand>
>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: peter.yim@xxxxxxxxx [peter.yim
>>>> @gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter>>
>>>>>> Yim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 12:09
>>>> PM>>
>>>>>> To: Brand Niemann
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cc: Ontology Summit 2012
>>>> discussion>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Summit
>>>> Website>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brand,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leo Obrst, our Ontology Summit general chair
>>>> has already notified you, on>>
>>>>>> 15-Apr-2012, ref.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontology-summit/2012-04/msg00081.
>>>> html>>
>>>>>> that,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> //
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Until you have made proper attribution to
>>>> our work, and clearly state on>>
>>>>>> your website that your work is also openly
>>>> shared under OPL v1.0 or (cc>>
>>>>>> by-sa 3.0), please remove our Summit content
>>>> from your website.>>
>>>>>> //
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [ while the summit content on the
>>>> OntologWiki is licensed under OPL>>
>>>>>> v1.0 or (cc by-sa 3.0), work from the
>>>> OntologySummit2012 website is>>
>>>>>> specifically license under (cc by-sa 3.0)
>>>> ]>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To date, you have not been responsive to
>>>> that request yet, nor have you>>
>>>>>> taken down the content from your MindTouch :
>>>> Semanticommunity.info>>
>>>>>> : AOL Government site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can still see our OntologySummit2012
>>>> website content, copied word-for-word>>
>>>>>> on your site, but have yet to see proper
>>>> attribution, and the site license>>
>>>>>> from MindTouch, and/or Semanticommunity.info
>>>> and/or AOL Government stating>>
>>>>>> that they operates under the (cc
>>>> by-sa>>
>>>>>> 3.0) open content license.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I personally think that this is very
>>>> unprofessional of you to use our>>
>>>>>> material and disregard our IPR. You went
>>>> ahead and copied the>>
>>>>>> ontology-summit team's work-in-progress
>>>> without their consent; and worse,>>
>>>>>> despite the author's specific request to you
>>>> to hold off until we publish,>>
>>>>>> you went ahead and published that on your
>>>> site even before our team has>>
>>>>>> released that work and publish it
>>>> themselves. This is not the kind of>>
>>>>>> behavior we expect from "trusted
>>>> members" of the community at all.>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PLEASE STOP YOUR INFRINGEMENT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks& regards. =ppy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter Yim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Brand
>>>> Niemann<bniemann@cox
>>>> .net> wrote:>>
>>>>>>> Thank you. I looked at your work and
>>>> think it is similar to what I am>>
>>>>>>> trying to do:
>>>>>>> http://semanticommunity.info/AOL_Government/Ontology_Summit_201
>>>> 2_Commu>>
>>>>>>> nique#Ontology
>>
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