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I have a colleague who says this in a simple way: "If you
label something, you can interact with it intentionally."
"Label" is the same as identify. I agree with Matthew that until you
describe what "it" is, it's hard to interact with someone else at the same level
of abstraction.
This same friend says "Language and symbols either unite or
divide, there is no in-between." You can see this principle in action
every time 2 people talk (or email ;=)
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Mathew and Anders..
I agree with Mathew.
If
you take a simple example, one has to identify same thing as
same. Only experience teaches that.
An apple is an
apple. When you say apple, you need to mean that it is an
apple and when you purchase an apple, you should get an apple and
not an orange.
But if you need a green apple, you have to say a
green apple. If you just say just apple, you may get a red or green
apple or you may be asked a question -Do you mean red or green
apple?
In complex world, identifying what is same and what is
different requires a lot of experience.
In Dr. Sowa's example they
had three parts to gender. Male, Female and Mule. Mule
and Gender are not the same thing. Mule is an animal that has
a gender. They needed to group at a higher level.
People and Machines and Animals ( or mule if that was only animal they
were using) at the same level. Then provide gender as an
attribute for People and Animals or just for people. Unless animal's
gender made difference or needed to be taken for consideration
somewhere.
Same things are same, difference things are
different. Only experience teaches that. One can not make an
orange and apple, even if they paint it red. Because orange still
taste different than apple.
Other than things, how same
terminologies can have varying descriptions depending on locations and
divisions etc that causes problems. So agreeing on same desciption
and documenting them with same description
helps.
Pavithra
--- On Sun, 2/6/11,
Anders Tell <opensource@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From:
Anders Tell <opensource@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject:
[ontology-summit] Point-of-view was Re: [Making the Case] Elevator
Pitch
To: "Ontology Summit 2011 discussion"
<ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sunday, February 6,
2011, 2:58 AM
Dear Matthew,
Ah, i was referring to the smale scale temporal ordering in the
sentence "first identify what is the
same/different, then apply the above.".
Identity is important but why is there a temporal ordering
between the two? could you elaborate on the rationale?
/anders
On Feb 5, 2011, at 8:46 PM, Matthew West wrote:
Dear
Anders,
Sorry,
I’m not aware I was talking about any temporal ordering. Please
explain.
On
Feb 1, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Matthew West wrote:
I
wonder do we really need this? If we examine the situation a little
closer then reasons for variability appears.
Legislation
forces different point of views across border and inside
countries.
MW:
This means of course that you really mean different things in those
different circumstances, so they should not be the
same.
Product:
there a quite a few work perspective that view Product differently
from different point-of-view and so it is likely to be. The need for
specialization of work perspectives seems to be inevitable in larger
organizations.
...
more than 10+ major reasons for large scale variability can easily
be found.
MW:
Yes. In my book “Developing High Quality Data Models” I identify a
number of these. But that just means that these are different
things, not the same.
MW:
Moral, first identify what is the same/different, then apply the
above.
AWT:
Im intrigued, identity is important but why is there a temporal
ordering between the two? could you elaborate on the
raionale?
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