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Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:01 PM
To: Ontology Summit 2009
Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] [Fwd: Re: Progressing a Units Ontology
-virtual session]
Hi all:
Just a pragmatic request: Whatever the outcome of the activity will be: Please
aim at being able, eventually, to do unit conversion at least for the subset of
UN/CEFACT listed at
http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/primer/#6_ANNEX:_POPULAR_UN.2FCEFACT_COMMON_CODES
AND make sure you can do that on the basis of RDF patterns of the form
default:SonyCellPhoneModel_s1234
a gr:ProductOrServiceModel ;
default:hasTalkTime default:QuantitativeValueInteger_9
;
default:hasWeight
default:QuantitativeValueFloat_10 .
default:QuantitativeValueFloat_10
a gr:QuantitativeValueFloat ;
rdfs:comment "The value node representing a
weight of 100 grams"^^xsd:string ;
gr:hasValueFloat "100.0"^^xsd:float ;
gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement
"GRM"^^xsd:string .
default:QuantitativeValueInteger_9
a gr:QuantitativeValueInteger ;
rdfs:comment "The node representing a time
duration of 120 hours."^^xsd:string ;
gr:hasValueInteger "120"^^xsd:int ;
gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement
"HUR"^^xsd:string .
IMO, the significance of any work in the field of units of measurements will
depend on the gain in automated harmonization or translation of quantitative
values expressed in different but compatible units.
Of course, this requires a sound conceptual approach. But without a service
that can exploit the conceptual structures representing the "conversion
knowledge", the impact of any such endeavor will be very limited, IMHO.
Martin
David Leal wrote:
Dear Nicola,
I agree.
Perhaps the best way to start would be for one of the NIST experts, perhaps
Ed Barkmeyer, to propose an initial ontology of a few high level objects and
relationships taken from clause 1 of "International vocabulary of metrology
— Basic and general concepts and associated terms (VIM)"
(http://www.bipm.org/utils/common/documents/jcgm/JCGM_200_2008.pdf). This
could then be reviewed and extended.
Best regards,
David
At 15:20 07/07/2009 +0200, you wrote:
Thanks, Peter, for keeping posting info concerning the "Quantities and
Units of Measure ontology-based standard" initiative. Indeed I am
among those who followed the discussion with interest, but never found
the time to intervene.
Participation to the discussion would be certainly much simpler if we
can focus on ONE single document to comment and review, instead of
dozens of email discussions...
Cheers,
Nicola
On 2 Jul 2009, at 18:02, Peter Yim wrote:
Welcome, Carlos ... and thank you for the referral, Martin.
All,
I am posting this exchange as it may be of interest to others who are
contemplating participation in this "Quantities and Units of Measure
Ontology-based Standard" initiative (or point people to it).
I also want to let people know that, despite the fact that I am behind
on getting the proceedings of our Jun-19 session posted, and in the
creation of the new dedicated mailing list (due to some work-related
emergencies which I must attend to first), they are still on my
priority list, and will be attended to very soon. ... I'll let
everyone know as soon as they are in place.
Regards. =ppy
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On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Peter Yim<peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello Carlos,
Thank you for the message. To get engaged, you might consider the
following,
(a) review earlier transactions among other community members
regarding this UoM ontology standard subject matter in our archives,
particularly the following items at ...
* http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2009_06_19
* http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2009_Communique
*
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2009_Symposium#nid1VUV
*
* http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontology-summit/2009-06/threads.html
2. consider joining the Ontolog community - see:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid1J
3. we will be setting up a dedicated mailing list for this
"Quantities
and Units of Measure Ontology-based Standard" initiative fairly soon.
I will make a note of your interest, and will include you as a
subscriber. Further activities and progress will appear on that list,
once that has been initialized.
Feel free to ping me any time if you have any further question.
Regards. =ppy
Peter P. Yim
Co-convener,
Ontolog Forum
http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/
President & CEO
CIM Engineering, Inc. (dba. "CIM3")
San Mateo, California, USA.
http://cwe.cim3.net/
+1 (650) 578-9998
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On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Carlos Pedrinaci<c.pedrinaci@xxxxxxxxxx
wrote:
Hi Peter,
Could you please let me know how to proceed in order to join/
contribute to
this work?
Many thanks,
Carlos
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On 1 Jun 2009, at 15:27, Martin Hepp (UniBW) wrote:
hi carlos,
you should get involved in this activity with your work on units
conversion.
if you have any questions, please contact peter yim (cc), he
coordinates the
ontolog work. peter can also point you to all ontolog resources.
best
martin
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Progressing a Units Ontology -
virtual
session
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 23:02:29 +0100
From: David Leal <david.leal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: Ontology Summit 2009 <ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Ontology Summit 2009 <ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Dear Peter and others,
I hope to attend the telecon and participate in the work.
I strongly agree with Ed's recommendation that we consider the
International
Vocabulary for Measurement (VIM)
http://www.bipm.org/en/publications/guides/vim.html. It is
important that
things in any ontology for quantities and units are related to the
things
defined in this document - which has the advantage of being on the
Web,
unlike most ISO standards!
On the one hand the document is authoritative, but on the other
hand there
are difficulties with the language used, which creating an
ontology may
clarify.
For example, the definition of "quantity value" is "number and
reference
together expressing magnitude of a quantity". This definition
suggest to me
a "quantity value" is some sort of data structure (i.e. "number and
reference together") which describes a "magnitude of a quantity".
But we
also have:
NOTE 1 According to the type of reference, a quantity value is
either
— a product of a number and a measurement unit, or
— a number and a reference to a measurement procedure, or
— a number and a reference material.
The first item in this list is a very different sort of thing. We
usually
assume that the "product" of a number and a length unit (say) is a
particular length. Getting all this tied down with an ontology is
a worthy
task.
Best regards,
David
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At 12:14 29/05/2009 -0400, you wrote:
Peter,
you wrote:
I am writing to ping everyone, one more time, to find out:
1. who is interesting to participate in getting the said Units of
Measure ontology effort going.
I am interested because I think a basic reference ontology for
'quantity' is needed. According to the International Vocabulary for
Measurement (VIM)
http://www.bipm.org/en/publications/guides/vim.html
'measurement unit' is one class in that ontology, and it is a
subtype of
'quantity'. Further, standardized instances of 'measurement unit'
belong to a 'system of measurements' which is intimately related
to a
taxonomic decomposition of 'quantity'. So I think the 'basic
quantity
ontology' is inseparable from an 'ontology for units of measure'.
2. who is willing to provide some level of leadership to get this
effort off the ground.
It makes sense that NIST should lead -- the NIST participants
should
take that up offline.
3. who would be joining us if we do run a virtual panel session on
this on Thu 2009.06.11
I will try to attend, but I have a likely conflict from 1300-1500
EDT.
4. if you are joining, and would like to be a panelist, please
provide
a title and an abstract of what you might share with in in a 10~15
minute brief.
I have said my piece above. I would rather listen to others.
5. besides PatCassidy, who else has (access to) a UoM related
ontology, that he/she can upload to the OOR sandbox and some other
publicly accessible ontology repository? (if the latter, please
advise
where the repository is.)
I have a sketch (UML diagrams with definitions) built for another
(now
dubious) project, which I will upload.
Surely this must also have been addressed in Cyc and DOLCE and BSO.
-Ed
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