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Re: [ontology-summit] Ontolog IPR issues

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From: "Sharma, Ravi" <Ravi.Sharma@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 21:46:05 -0600
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Pat
Your observations on publications, attribution and who was the first to
invent etc., are praiseworthy and should put to rest overambitious
credit seeking. 
At the same time there is no harm in recognizing the contributions even
at not being totally aware of the happenings in the field.
Peer review and publications are becoming more difficult and time
consuming and I remember from my days in physics that often 3-6 months
were lost if you chose the wrong journals etc.
Thanks.
Ravi    (01)

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Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Ontolog IPR issues    (06)

At 11:49 AM -0400 5/6/08, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
>I think in this day of web 2.0 science and knowledge being exchanged
>dynamically, we may have find ways to reference scientific and
>academic contributions which come into being from mailing lists and
>wikis.    (07)

Indeed, and this is an area which is in flux and rather indeterminate 
right now.    (08)

>This is what IPR policies are for, right?    (09)

Wrong. You are confusing IPR with academic good-conduct rules of 
acknowledgement and priority of publication. the former are primarily 
legally debated and arise over money; the latter are academically 
debated and arise over issues of professional reputation and such 
matters as tenure.    (010)

>....should we just agree that
>what is published should be acknowledged, irrespective of where it is
>published?    (011)

That depends on what counts as 'publishing'. For academic purposes, 
this is usually understood to mean publication in some kind of 
peer-reviewed forum, which Wikis and blogs and so on are clearly not. 
As you say, the Web 2.0 phenomenon may cause this to (slowly) change, 
but academics are extremely conservative when it comes to how they 
conduct their own internal affairs, and until such bodies as tenure 
review committees start changing their attitudes, I do not see the 
central notion of 'academic publication' changing much.    (012)

Academics are expected to be aware of publications in peer-reviewed 
journals in their own field, so ignorance of prior publication there 
is no excuse (and in any case, should be caught by later peer 
reviewing); but nobody can be expected to read every wiki and blog 
and newspaper and general-interest journal that comes out.    (013)

I have personally given up on even trying to maintain a publication 
trail for my own ideas, and in more and more cases have even 
abandoned any attempt to have them all attributed. My name does not 
appear anywhere on the ISO Common Logic standard, which I wrote 
almost entirely (apart from appendices B and C), and I'm cool with 
that, as I had the option of being the Editor and turned it down. And 
I know in several cases I have re-invented an idea which has then 
been published and only afterwards has it been noted that it (or 
something very like it) had in fact been previously known. In some 
cases, it is virtually impossible to reconstruct an accurate 
attribution history, as some ideas were kind of half-known to an 
entire community for a while, and only became sharp and crystallized 
later, over an extended period of debate and discussion. With the 
wisdom of hindsight it can then be argued that some particular 
publication was the 'first' to have the idea, but in fact the idea 
had not really been gotten clear enough at that time to be fully 
attributable to any one source. Logic programming is a good example. 
The invention of the basic idea here has been attributed to R. 
Kowalski, A. Colmerauer, C. Green (who received an award for it), C. 
Hewitt and myself, and possibly to others. In fact, what is now 
called Logic Programming evolved over a period of several years, and 
all these people, and others, were involved in the discussions and 
idea development at the time, all with different agendas and 
emphases. Prolog was invented by Colmerauer; both Kowalski and myself 
came up with the idea embodied in the slogan "algorithm= logic + 
control"; Hewitt invented Planner, which was structurally similar to 
Prolog in some ways but did not present itself explicitly as a logic; 
and so on. One could list a dozen influential projects from that 
period which were similar in some way and might be called 'the first' 
logic programming system; and all these descriptions would have a 
taint of truth, but all be ultimately wrong.    (014)

Pat Hayes    (015)

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