HI John (01)
when I entered this forum, I remember one of my first conributed
discussion was :
how do we publish (and bring to the attention of other researchers)
our research without going throught the painful review process which
seems designed to hold the progress of science, rather than to promote
it? more important, how do we use the web to help us speed up our
research review process? (02)
I started publishing research notes on this forum, certain that the
contributions would be welcome, acknowledged and criticised by this
valuable 'virtual panel' , and they have, for which I am grateful. (03)
I wrote the paper you reference last year, nobody in the ISCRAM
committee knew what an ontology was, the paper was not accepted, but I
contested the validity of the reviews and we left it like that at the
time. This year we managed to pull off a dedicated session, currently
being held at ISCRAM in dc, of which I am co-chair. There is a
reference on the w3c wiki (search: w3c incubator emergency) and find
the further references at the bottom of the page) to an academic paper
by a guy at berkeley that quotes my work, hope thats good enough for
you (sorry I am vague) (04)
I think in this day of web 2.0 science and knowledge being exchanged
dynamically, we may have find ways to reference scientific and
academic contributions which come into being from mailing lists and
wikis. This is what IPR policies are for, right? Do you have funding
to start a research programme on that? or should we just agree that
what is published should be acknowledged, irrespective of where it is
I think (hope) that I have circulated pointers and links to current
sessions and work in this domain, including an invitation to put in
paper to our Ontology for Crisis Management session (rex brooks.
michelle and bob smith have been invited) and to the w3c incubator
meeting being held this week in dc at bm to which everyone is invited
- btw (06)
I was pleased to have spent the afternoon yesterday on the ontology
for crisis management panel, and gary berg cross from this community
was in attendance (07)
look forward to further inputs and exchanges (08)
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 11:30 AM, John Bateman <bateman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Paola,
> thanks for pointers (although somewhat vague).
> As a consequence, I think I begin to understand your problem:
> the materials you point to appear to be almost exclusively
> contributions to Wikis, Blogs and similar. I am trying to fill
> in the reference to the pdf file for the paper
> "AN OPEN ONTOLOGY FOR OPEN SOURCE EMERGENCY
> RESPONSE SYSTEM" (which I will read with interest) but
> haven't managed yet. It doesn't seem to be an ISCRAM2007 contribution,
> but the references would put it past ISCRAM2006.
> I don't like citing papers that only have
> a url for a pdf (positively retro, I know), so if you have proper
> bibliographical references, that would be great.
> As you write:
> publication date: "1170115200" (?)]
> > This 'Open Ontology' requirement has been sitting on my desktop for a
> > few days now, me thinking, how should I best publish this?
> > Write to the OSI foundation? Wait for the next journal deadline? (could
> take months)
> > I have a couple of research papers underway, but admittedly I have not
> been coherently following a Journal Publication strategy in my research, nor
> in any other area of my life.
> I see that this would encourage you to chase IPR issues for other forms
> of presentation more strongly. The times are
> a-changin, but they haven't quite caught up with you yet I fear.
> However, now I find the leap from the list of requirements you put in the
> above contribution and on the Ontolog wiki-page to the
> statement: "I am reserving right of first academic publication
> to publish in relevant journal" to be even more enormous.
> First publication of *what*? And how long must we wait?
> (and what if your first submissions are rejected, horror of
> horrors?). This is more than I thought:
> is it really now the case that you are suggesting that on
> the basis of the wiki page and similar statements made
> on other wikis and discussion lists, that no one should be
> allowed to even publish a paper in a scientific journal
> on open ontology before you do? Even if they cite
> the wiki-page? Surely not.
> Or do you just mean the text verbatim
> as it appears on the wiki-page should not be used by
> someone else as their own work, which I would agree
> with morally regardless of what the legal experts
> come up with (but this doesn't appear to have happened).
> Anyway, let me know when it's sorted.
> (Then I can decide whether the times have changed sufficiently
> to motivate my sprinkling promisory notes liberally
> across the web...)
> John B.
Paola Di Maio
School of IT
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