Sincerely,
Rich Cooper
EnglishLogicKernel.com
Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
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Interest Ontology
Doug Foxvog wrote:
On Mon, June 4, 2012 15:09, Rich
Cooper wrote:
> I don’t plan to reinvent the Agent/Activity
> ontology, but I don’t want to use
“action” instead
> of the more aggregated “Activity”
concept. The
> reason is because I don’t relay on
syntactic
> analysis as the first step. Instead, I start
with
> the semantic analysis that is available based on
> the lexicon and phraseology used in the corpus.
> But in my methods of the ‘923, it
isn’t necessary
> to start with a complex pantheon of concepts. I
> am developing a reference design for the
‘923
> which is minimalist – Agents and Activities
I'm not sure how the use of Activities is minimalist.
Activities are structured sets of Actions. I'm not sure how one would model Activity
without modeling its relationships to component Actions. To be minimalist, i
would suggest going with Action and a grouping
function.
[RC] Activity is minimalist because it
requires the minimal support environment needed for recursion for the agent. That
is, the Activity includes all the data in the current context (which includes
all the data and code relevant to the current computer context, i.e. cache
memory). Therefore it can instantaneously recurse up or down in its
parent-child chain.
In a more philosophical sense, Activity is
the collection of all things, whatever level, and whatever state they exist, so
that the Activity can be recorded, processed or erased as the Observer
chooses. The Observer is an Agent, i.e., an Activity Instance (i.e. all Agents
are instances of some Activity back to the first Activity).
Hopefully that is somewhat more
descriptive of my view of this specification we're creating.
One might also want to model Events without doers (and
are thus not necessarily actions), and even Static Situations. One might also
want to distinguish purposeful actions (where the doer has intent, unlike the
stone) from non-purposeful actions.
[RC] Re your suggestion of Events,
could an Event type be defined as a subtype of the Activity class as roughly
specified above? Could a "Doer" class be descended from the Agent
specification I gave above?
I define the very first Activity in
creation (Eve) to be a database of a very complex situation or set thereof as
reflected in, perhaps, an insurance company, for the sake of finding a common
vocabulary for us. The usual tables, columns, rows and views are available to
inspection since this Eve practices SQL as well as the then Universal English
of This Insurance Company.
This would give:
Situation -- an occurrence. Has temporal parts.
StaticSituation -- a Situation that does not
include a state change
Event -- a Situation that includes a state change
Action -- an Event with a "doer"
PurposefulAction -- an action undertaken
with intent
NonpurposefulAction -- an action without
intent
PassiveEvent -- an Event without a
"doer"
Those all sound like very useful
constructs, but so far all we have is this damned Insurance Agent named Eve (:
-|}. What can we do with her?
-Rich
> – rather than choosing a maximized set of
concepts
> because I think that approach is much more
> effective for the applications I have in mind.
> Thanks for the reminder re SUMO. When I get
stuck
> with a concept, perhaps I can find precedents in
> the SUMO ontology.
Two good places to look for prior art are SUMO and
OpenCyc.
Instead of waiting until you get stuck, it can be
useful to use both
of these, as well as a dictionary when creating ontologies.
Centuries
of effort has gone into developing these publicly
available ontologies,
and using them may save you time and effort.
-- doug foxvog
> -Rich
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rich Cooper
>
> EnglishLogicKernel.com
>
> Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
>
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>
> _____
>
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> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of Ed Barkmeyer
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:04 AM
> To: [ontolog-forum]
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum]
Self Interest
> Ontology
>
>
>
> Rich/John,
>
> There is no need to reinvent the agent/action
> ontology. SUMO, for example, has a semantic take
> on the basic linguistic idea: An action is a
> "gerund" -- a thing that is the
action. So an
> action is modeled as a class denoted by a verb.
> An action has an "agent" property, just
as the
> verb has a "subject" in any simple
sentence
> denoting an instance of the action. An action
may
> have a "patient" property, which is the
"direct
> object" of the verb, if it is transitive, in
> simple sentences denoting instances of the
action.
> Adverbial phrases are unary predicates that
modify
> the action (simple adverbs) or
> predicates/properties that relate the action
thing
> to some other thing (prepositional phrases), and
> in each case the predicate determines the term
for
> the related thing. It is useful to standardize
> predicates for time and place.
>
> This approach is also used in Cyc, and is common
> to a lot of ontologies for interpreting natural
> language. For the OWL and RDF lot, it has the
> advantage of avoiding n-ary relations. If the
> semantics of an action intrinsically requires a
> 3rd participant thing, e.g., a "dative"
or
> "instrumental" role, the specific
action class
> simply has a required additional participant
> relation.
>
> My favorite test case for arity>2, however, is
the
> rendering of "X is between A and B",
precisely
> because it is intrinsically ternary and does not
> fit the linguistic pattern.
>
> [Aside: I have seen descriptions of this general
> model that say it is THE Davidsonian model (from
> Daniel Davidson). My impression (Chris can
> correct me) is that it is rather A Davidsonian
> model. Davidson only asserts that actions are,
or
> at least can be, things in the universe of
> discourse, and thus be arguments to predicates.
> They can, of course, be arguments to unary
> predicates that classify actions, but there is no
> requirement for that, and I'm not aware of any
> Davidson assertion that there have to be
> predicates that model "subject of
action" or
> "direct object of action". I would
have said that
> the Sowa CG model --
> <action> is described by <(nominalized)
> proposition> -- is equally Davidsonian.]
>
> So I'm not saying "use the SUMO
model." I am
> saying: Look at the upper ontology literature,
> and pick one.
> (This fits the Hayes' Doctrine for use of upper
> ontologies: When you discover you need one of
> these basic ideas, look to see if some published
> upper ontology has a model you can use, and
> copy/convert those axioms, and, as a professional
> courtesy, include an attribution.)
>
> -Ed
>
> P.S. I am terrible at providing references, and
I
> keep finding that my preferred ones are not the
> Web-available reference, if there is one.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Edward J. Barkmeyer Email:
> edbark@xxxxxxxx
> National Institute of Standards & Technology
> Manufacturing Systems Integration Division
> 100
Bureau Drive, Stop 8263 Tel: +1
> 301-975-3528
> Gaithersburg,
MD 20899-8263
Cel: +1
> 240-672-5800
>
> "The opinions expressed above do not reflect
> consensus of NIST,
> and have not been reviewed by any Government
> authority."
>
>
>
> John Bottoms wrote:
>
> Rich,
>
> Hmmm, I don't understand your language. I know
> that it may be common to the field but I also
find
> that some well accepted concepts can be pitfalls
> without an understanding of what is entailed. I
> don't know Chomsky's grammar. Which of his many
> papers can you refer me to? I don't know what
> "highly rational text" is, or how it is
measured.
> It seems to imply that there are other grades of
> rational text.
>
> In opening paragraph). You contrast agents and
> actions ("The first distinction I want to
make is
> between agents and activities"). I
understand this
> view as it was one that I once held myself. I
tend
> to think of these things more grammatically now.
> The problem arises with the understanding of
> "actor" or "agent" vs things
and activities.
> Agents don't always do things, they may not take
> an action or may be inhibited from taking an
> action. They are in effect "nouns" that
do "verb"
> things.
>
> This view is confounded by a view of things
> (nouns) that do things when they are not supposed
> to. I first ran into this problem in a linguistic
> setting; note that you do not see this in the
> semantic analysis, but may in a linguistic
> analysis. Take for example: a rock (clearly an
> inert thingy) sitting on a clay slope. Along
comes
> the rain and it no longer is a thing but becomes
> an agent but perhaps not quite an actor. Anyway,
> it slides down the slope unlodging others of its
> kind with a few logs. It seems to act on its own
> and starts to look more and more like an avenging
> angel agent. My suggestion is to stay with verbs
> and nouns for as long as possible. This puts you
> in the syntactic arena but that is safe as long
as
> it can be tolerated. I understand that at some
> point you may need to move to semantic analysis,
> but resist until you can't resist any further.
>
> I don't have the expertise to read the patent
> expediently.
>
> My other comments are embedded below.
>
> -John Bottoms
> FirstStar Systems
> Concord,
MA USA
>
> On 5/30/2012 5:22 PM, Rich
Cooper wrote:
>
> John, those are excellent questions for
describing
> the context of this project. My comments are
> below,
>
>
>
> -Rich
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rich Cooper
>
> EnglishLogicKernel.com
>
> Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
>
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>
> _____
>
> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of John Bottoms
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:23 AM
> To: ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum]
Self Interest
> Ontology
>
>
>
> Rich,
>
> I find it useful to start the development with
> questions that define the scope. What is the
> problem to be solved.
>
>
>
> This formulation is a system spec for a reference
> design that practices my patent 7,209,923,
> attached to this email. A previous reference
> design was developed to process patent claims
from
> the USPTO patent database.
>
>
>
> This reference design (TBD) is intended to
> demonstrate the ability to analyze highly
rational
> text, which Chomsky typically writes (though not
> always). The idea is to manage a lexicon of
verbs
> (including gerunds and signatures a la Beth
Levin)
> that relate to activities which individuals
> perform, as described in the corpus text.
>
>
>
> The first distinction I want to make is between
> agents and activities. With the signatures there
> are embedded variables that can be bound to the
> actual objects and phrases that are not verbs or
> gerunds according to the initial lexicon.
> Chomsky’s language is so precise and
consistent
> (IMHO) that his texts provide a foundation for
> simpler accumulation of signatures for verb
> phrases that might be useful initial lexicons for
> specific applications TBD later which also
> practice the ‘923 methods.
>
> 1. Is this taxonomy looking outward?
>
> I’m not sure what you mean by
“looking outward”;
> please elaborate so we are talking the same
> concepts.
>
> By "outward" I mean from the self to
another
> agent. The difference between self-interest and
> other-agent's-interest is in the missing
> information for the other-agent. So the
processing
> is different.
>
>
>
>
>
> Is there someone's (or some group's) motives I am
> trying to understand?
>
> Yes, Chomsky’s favorite subject relates to
> political, economic and military actions
performed
> by politicians, government employees,
> corporations, NGOs and at least those other agent
> classes.
>
> Does this pertain to the patent?
> (As an aside, I believe there are entre's to
> duTocqueville's "hidden hand" concept
if the
> duality analysis is pursued carefully. That would
> be an interesting study.)
>
>
>
>
>
> This view would be useful in duality evaluations.
>
> Please define “duality evaluation”;
I’m not sure
> what you mean by that phrase.
>
> Nah, I made it up. I am referring to the ability
> to develop a theory for an agent based on
> behaviors. Of course, to do it right one has to
> consider oneself as part of the situation.
>
>
>
>
> 2. For myself, looking inward; what is my goal
and
> what are the range of behaviors or processes that
> are candidates to further my position vis à vis
my
> goals.
>
> My goal is to have a reference design that can be
> adapted to a wide variety of applications, and
> which can be attractive to licensees of the
> patent. The main attraction is to provide a
> minimal reference design that can start an
> application designer on the path to practicing
the
> invention.
>
> 3. What problem is trying to solve. That is: what
> is the current restrain on this self-interest.
> This would lead to a change of analysis of
> restraints.
> By reducing the cost and schedule of a considered
> application, the reference design helps potential
> licensees get a jump on minimizing the cost and
> schedule for the application. That economy is in
> the licensees self interest.
>
> It sounds like you are trying to develop a
grammar
> for an application. Is that right?
>
>
>
>
>
> Re the self interest of the corpus and the agents
> mentioned there, I think the best approach is
> simply to build a case base of the behaviors
which
> each agent performs (i.e., which activities and
> which object bindings). The case base in this
> patent is stored in a database that can be
> dynamically sized and configured (see the
‘923
> specification for an explanation). Finding
> patterns of linguistic use within the parsed and
> stored database is a lot easier than constructing
> the software to make and manage that database in
> the first place.
>
> It sounds like you need a meta-grammar
application
> to find and label the patterns. This is done for
> Hidden Markov Model systems that are typically
> hand-tweaked. Statistical analysis such as in
> Watson can help, but to be safe you need to have
a
> human review the results of any machine learning
> algorithm.
>
> For me, I don't see much of a difference between
> patterns and algorithms at some point. There
> appears to be a mathematical mapping from one to
> the other. Watson has contributed by identifying
> the important subject areas under the query
curve,
> at least for Jeopardy. Clearly, it doesn't
> understand the subjects being discussed, and in
> that sense it is my opinion that it is a
> "statistical gossip machine".
>
>
>
>
> 4. 'Course the "cost/benefit" is
elemental,
> including community standing as a self-interest
> item (both in terms of success or failure).
> Again, the behaviors (actions) of the agents can
> be organized into a case base and analyzed to
> infer self-interest and coping behaviors from the
> database of text phrases and IDEF0
> interpretations.
>
> I'm not as fully studied in behavioral economics
> as I would like to be. My exposure in this area
is
> via assessment, which is an adolescent field. I
> would encourage you to include metrics linked to
> scoring and behaviors to understand another's
> self-interest traits.
>
>
>
>
> 5. History: how has this been solved before, why
> can't that be done now. Precursor contexts may be
> interesting: how did we get here, why does this
> problem need to be solved.
>
> Agreed; the Before and After conditions of each
> activity should be linked through database
indexes
> to identify patterns, infer self interest and
> coping behaviors for each agent.
>
> Pre- and -post scoring in statistics is better
> understood than normative assessment. The cutting
> edge currently is in "adaptive polytomous
> assessment". These extract multiple traits
while
> selecting against a controlled variable. These
> techniques require significant investment until
> better tools are developed and there's not a lot
> of call for them now. Again, the proximal region
> hasn't required it just yet.
>
>
>
>
> 6. Future: how is this going to affect the
> context, who are those in the context that will
be
> effected
>
> Context is the represented element of an IDEF0
> activity that is organized into the database as
> associated ICOMAs and their component object
types
> and decompositions.
>
> ;TL, DR
>
>
>
>
> 7. Time, how long will it take, do the parties
> have that much time?
>
> The plan, as in 3 above, is to provide a starting
> structure for reducing the cost and schedule for
> developing future applications. Not every writer
> is as precise and accurate as Chomsky, so
> metaphors, incomplete sentences, ambiguous
> sentences and phrases, and other related
> application elements will show up, but ways to
> handle those derived considerations still will
> have to be done individually, for each
> application, on top of the reference design.
>
> My comments here referred to the length of time
an
> assessment takes. That may not be relevant in
your
> case if the assessment can be handled strictly
> with semantics aside from time considerations.
>
>
>
>
> -John Bottoms
> FirstStar Systems
> Concord,
MA
> Thanks for your comments; they were very useful.
> Please keep them coming,
>
> -Rich
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5/30/2012 1:41 PM, Rich
Cooper wrote:
>
> Ed Barkmeyer wrote:
>
>
>
> This is a would-be taxonomy without
classification
> criteria, or
>
> consequent properties, which makes it
> ontologically useless.
>
> Alternatively, one can see it as an itinerary of
> places to be visited on
>
> the way to formulating some kind of political
> science ontology.
>
> -Ed
>
>
>
> True, it’s only a starting point, not a
finished
> ontology. The final version should ultimately be
> capable of reasoning in its various shades.
>
>
>
> I still want to map the elements cited (and
others
> TBD) into a regular rendering, and I prefer IDEF0
> since it is well known by nonontologists. When
> the ontology is finished some day, it can be
> mapped into the IDEF0 structures and
> interconnects, and augmented with rules for
logic,
> etc.
>
>
>
> This is a would-be taxonomy without
classification
> criteria, or
>
> consequent properties, which makes it
> ontologically useless.
>
> Alternatively, one can see it as an itinerary of
> places to be visited on
>
> the way to formulating some kind of political
> science ontology.
>
>
>
> True. Its only a starting point.
>
>
>
> Your discussions below re the meaning of self
> interest is also useful. I’ll think about
it some
> more, but I think self interest is still a
> slippery concept to me, and will take some deeper
> thought to render properly.
>
>
>
> Thanks for the thoughts; more would be
appreciated
> also,
>
> -Rich
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rich Cooper
>
> EnglishLogicKernel.com
>
> Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
>
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of Ed Barkmeyer
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:52 AM
> To: [ontolog-forum]
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum]
Self Interest
> Ontology
>
>
>
> Ignoring the choice of political scientist as
> source, this purports to
>
> be the basis for an ontology.
>
> What is the basis for this high-level taxonomy?
> What are the
>
> distinguishing properties of the 2nd level
> classifiers?
>
>
>
> And how do those properties relate to
> "self-interest"?
>
>
>
> All organizations have self-interests, and their
> human components
>
> typically share some of those interests, either
> out of ideology -- what
>
> the organization does is "good" -- or
out of
> pragmatism -- I will do
>
> well only if the organization does well (even
> though the definition of
>
> "x does well" is quite different for
x=me vs.
> x=the organization). But
>
> there are also cases in which the self-interest
of
> the individuals may
>
> be to the detriment of the organization -- I can
> use the organization to
>
> do well -- as in the leveraged buyout game. And
a
> lot of work is
>
> motivated by "pride in accomplishment"
-- personal
> fulfillment, which
>
> may or may not be "useful
accomplishment" --
> organizational value.
>
> Bureaucrats commonly mistake making a
contribution
> for making a useful
>
> contribution. So, it is not at all clear to me
> how position in an
>
> organization affects the self-interest of either
> the individual or the
>
> organization.
>
>
>
> This is a would-be taxonomy without
classification
> criteria, or
>
> consequent properties, which makes it
> ontologically useless.
>
> Alternatively, one can see it as an itinerary of
> places to be visited on
>
> the way to formulating some kind of political
> science ontology.
>
>
>
> -Ed
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rich Cooper
wrote:
>
>>
>
>> If we limit the Self Interest Ontology to
just
> the players Chomsky
>
>> mentions (directly or indirectly), the set of
> agents could be
>
>> organized thusly:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> -government
>
>>
>
>> -legislators
>
>>
>
>> -judiciary
>
>>
>
>> -cabinet level executives
>
>>
>
>> -employees
>
>>
>
>> -NGOs
>
>>
>
>> -corporate
>
>>
>
>> -stockholders
>
>>
>
>> -directors
>
>>
>
>> -executive management
>
>>
>
>> -lobbyists
>
>>
>
>> -employees
>
>>
>
>> -individuals
>
>>
>
>> -taxpayers
>
>>
>
>> -adults
>
>>
>
>> -minors
>
>>
>
>> -beneficiaries
>
>>
>
>> -adults
>
>>
>
>> -minors
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> This gives one view for the Ontology which
> identifies the agents that
>
>> participate in the Chomskyesque materials.
Does
> anyone want to
>
>> suggest additions, deletions, or changes to
the
> list above?
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Activities of the Self Interest Ontology
might
> include:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> -government
>
>>
>
>> -taxation
>
>>
>
>> -regulation
>
>>
>
>> -legislation
>
>>
>
>> -enforcement
>
>>
>
>> -judgments
>
>>
>
>> -corporate
>
>>
>
>> -markets
>
>>
>
>> -monopolies
>
>>
>
>> -competitors
>
>>
>
>> -persuasion
>
>>
>
>> -operations
>
>>
>
>> -finance
>
>>
>
>> -capital
>
>>
>
>> -revenues
>
>>
>
>> -costs
>
>>
>
>> -lobbying
>
>>
>
>> -employment
>
>>
>
>> -taxation
>
>>
>
>> -Individuals
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> One way to develop materials for filling in
the
> lower levels of the
>
>> ontology might be to process NLP from
Chomsky’s
> books and articles,
>
>> and news stories, including daily news
articles
> from individual
>
>> reporters, articles from corporate news
sources
> (e.g., WSJ, NYT,
LA
>
>> Times, etc). By identifying the named
entities
> that correspond to the
>
>> agent classes above, it should be possible to
> organize news stories to
>
>> deepen the Self Interest Ontology to include
> lower level subclasses.
>
>> This is a very limited first step in
identifying
> the actors and
>
>> activities that play identifiable roles a la
> Chomsky’s viewpoint. It
>
>> should also identify the news sources which
are
> biased in each
>
>> direction for each class of agents.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Has anything serious been left out of the top
> level for the Self
>
>> Interest Ontology? Again, suggestions are
> appreciated,
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> -Rich
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Sincerely,
>
>>
>
>> Rich Cooper
>
>>
>
>> EnglishLogicKernel.com
>
>>
>
>> Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
>
>>
>
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>
>>
>
>>
>
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> ----------------------
>
>>
>
>> *From:*
ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>>
[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Rich
Cooper
>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:46 AM
>
>> *To:* '[ontolog-forum]
'
>
>> *Subject:* Re: [ontolog-forum]
Self Interest
> Ontology
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Chomsky’s theories of the
corporate-state
> partnership, and how it
>
>> concentrates power in the hands of large
> corporations, are well known,
>
>> especially:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TieGj2Yi5r8
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> But neither Rand nor Hayek subscribed to
> corporate-state partnership.
>
>> In both cases, they value the individual, not
> the corporation and not
>
>> the state and certainly not the combination
of
> the two. So I don’t
>
>> think that is the reason why he is unhappy
with
> both Rand and Hayek.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> From the above video “elections are
always
> bought”, “President Obama’s
>
>> election was funded by corporate
interests”, and
> numerous other
>
>> examples indicate his deep displeasure with
the
> state-corporate binding.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I would like to see quotes from Chomsky that
> specifically describe his
>
>> displeasure with both Rand and Hayek rather
than
> trying to predict his
>
>> rationale. Chomsky is always very deep in
his
> rationale, so I don’t
>
>> think that we can simply say the
corporate-state
> binding is why he is
>
>> against either Rand or Hayek.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Mike Pool quoted this short paragraph from
the
> article, which is
>
>> somewhat enlightening:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> "Hayek was the kind of 'libertarian' who
was
> quite tolerant of such
>
>> free societies as Pinochet's Chile, one of
the
> most grotesque of the
>
>> National Security States instituted with US
> backing or direct
>
>> initiative during the hideous plague of
terror
> and violence that
>
>> spread over the hemisphere from the 60s
through
> the 80s. He even sank
>
>> to the level of arranging a meeting of his Mont
> Pelerin society there
>
>> during the most vicious days of the
> dictatorship. "
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> But that critique is not directed at
Hayek’s
> ideas about economics in
>
>> general, only about his interpretation of
> Hayek’s poor showing in the
>
>> political area, specifically in supporting
> Pinochet and the US methods
>
>> of supporting property owners at the expense
of
> the average citizen.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> His description of how democratic groups in
> Haiti
were overturned by
>
>> the US government and a dictator was
reinstalled
> under US actions, is
>
>> typical Chomsky, and very clearly in line
with
> his past work. But in
>
>> broad brush strokes in the article, he paints
> both Rand and Hayek
>
>> (neither of whom are known for their
political
> wisdom) as evil without
>
>> considering the kudos they gave to the
> individuals.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> -Rich
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Sincerely,
>
>>
>
>> Rich Cooper
>
>>
>
>> EnglishLogicKernel.com
>
>>
>
>> Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
>
>>
>
>> 9 4 9 \ 5 2 5 - 5 7 1 2
>
>>
>
>>
>
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> ----------------------
>
>>
>
>> *From:*
ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>>
[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Chris
>
>> Menzel
>
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2012 5:30 AM
>
>> *To:* [ontolog-forum]
>
>> *Subject:* Re: [ontolog-forum]
Self Interest
> Ontology
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Rich Cooper
>
>> <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
>
>>
>
>> Thanks – a very interesting article.
I’m
> surprised at how vehemently
>
>> Chomsky shrugs her off as evil. He
doesn’t give
> any explanation in
>
>> the article; do you have any information
about
> WHY he thinks Rand
is
>
>> evil?
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> It's obvious if you read Chomsky's (vast)
work
> on political theory and
>
>> American social and political history,
> especially his writings on
>
>> social security, taxation, corporate welfare,
> the massive
>
>> redistribution of wealth from the middle
class
> to the top income
>
>> brackets engineered by conservative tax
policy
> over the last dozen
>
>> years, etc, all of which are in vehement
> opposition to the social
>
>> darwinism that lies at the heart of Randian
> economic theories (and
>
>> current GOP economic politicies).
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>
>
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