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Re: [ontolog-forum] Relating and Reconciling Ontologies

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From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 19:46:03 -0400
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On 4/26/11 7:21 PM, Patrick Durusau wrote:
> Kingsley,
> On 4/26/2011 2:30 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>> On 4/26/11 1:41 PM, Patrick Durusau wrote:
>>> Kingsley,
>>> On 4/26/2011 8:56 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>> I would also point out that "public access" does not enable anyone to
>>>>> make meaningful analysis of data.
>>>> Publicly available information is a nice base from which to re-engineer
>>>> data sources and underlying data models constrained by some kind of
>>>> ontology. That's what middleware facilitates in the data realm today.
>>>> We reverse engineer knowledge, information, and data everyday as
>>>> cognitive beings. Computers are simply catching up to what we've done
>>>> for eons :-)
>>> You missed my point.
>> Sorry I did not :-)
>>> Availability of data != Competence to analyze data.
>> I didn't imply that. It doesn't work that way in the real-world so why
>> would it be any different if the data is digital?
>>> And since you mention it, middleware cannot confer competence to analyze
>>> data either.
>> "competence" is subjective, just like "quality" when dealing with data.
>> You have two constants that are timelessly critical: data and context
>> lenses of the beholder.
> Subjective or not, your middleware cannot confer competence.    (01)

I never made any reference to "my middleware". In fact, I made reference 
to the Internet + WWW combo (InterWeb) as middleware.    (02)

>>> Given the lack of experience at the depths Deep Horizon was operating,
>>> even detailed information would have been of little use to anyone
>>> outside a fairly narrow pool of experts.
>> Not so, and not my point.
> How is that "Not so...."?    (03)

Who is the mythical judge and jury in this context fluid realm? The is 
ultimately about aligning "context lenses" via conversation.    (04)

>> I am saying, every action that results in the creation of data at an
>> Address is really part of a conversation (of sorts). Put differently,
>> interacting with data via Addresses is akin to interacting with  jigsaw
>> puzzle. The InterWeb just adds scale. Remember, URIs are basically data
>> conduction mechanisms. The ubiquity of the InterWeb alters the scale of
>> jigsaw puzzle and players of the jigsaw puzzle game.
> To quote your incessant "inherently subjective" line, that applies to
> your "Interweb" and its utility as well.    (05)

Of course it does. When have I somehow implied to you that my own view 
points aren't inherently subjective?
>>> Middleware might assist those experts but they would need domain
>>> expertise before the software would be of any use.
>> There is never a time when Subject Matter expertise isn't relevant, the
>> issue is that the aforementioned designation is inherently subjective
>> due to context fluidity that's inherent in cognitive space.
> I can't tell what you meant to say with that paragraph. I await further
> clarification.    (06)

I gave you an example re. Internet + WWW == middleware, above :-)
>> The key remains this, re. the global InterWeb: just make your
>> contribution. The Global WWW is just middleware too, it is situated (re.
>> data conduction) between 'You', 'Others', and 'I'  :-)
> Key to what? A roar of noise (data) that may or may not be relevant,
> useful, correct, etc.?    (07)

Quality of any signal is subjective.    (08)

> Hope you are having a great day!
> Patrick
>> Kingsley
>>> Hope you are having a great day!
>>> Patrick
>>>>> Hope you are having a great day!
>>>>> Patrick    (09)

--     (010)

Regards,    (011)

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