On Mon, February 28, 2011 11:50, FERENC KOVACS said:
> I fully agree with Azamat, the upper ontology part is bleeding from
> several wounds (01)
WordNet is useful for NL processing. It is quite problematic
throughout as an ontology. Synsets at every level comprise
sets of non-synonymous concepts. By no means is it just the upper
ontology which is problematic. (02)
I suppose ground-level collections are stronger when they have just
a single member of the synset. (03)
-- doug foxvog (04)
> Regards,
> Ferenc
>
>
>>
>>From: AzamatAbdoullaev <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: [ontolog-forum] <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Monday, 28 February, 2011 11:46:06
>>Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] the data mining craze
>>
>>
>>WordNet is indeed a great lexical resource.
>>But to copy it as it is could end up with ineffective applications, for
>> its
>>third level of synsets downwards ( Root: Entity > Physical Entity [Thing,
>>Object, Cause, Substance, Process]; Abstract Entity [Abstraction, or
>> Attribute:
>>State, Time, Space, Quality, Property, ...Personality]; Thing ? is in
>> need of
>>full reclassification.
>>However strange, its middle- and ground level collections make the
>> strongest
>>parts.
>>
>>Azamat Abdoullaev
>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Stephen Young
>>>To: [ontolog-forum]
>>>Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 1:55 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] the data mining craze
>>>
>>>
>>>> It would be interesting to see the taxonomy, for example, ‘shape’
>>>> is the first
>>>>under ‘people’.
>>>> Thanks for sharing this interesting service!
>>>
>>>Our pleasure, Marcia :-)
>>>
>>>What you found is a basic categorisation that wik.me uses to group
>>> concepts -
>>>mainly for page presentation purposes. wik.me/1 is what you get when
>>> it can't
>>>find any concept that closely matches your search.
>>>
>>>The real "taxonomy" is derived from WordNet - the top level concepts can
>>> be
>>>traced directly to WordNet noun synsets. WordNet is a fantastic
>>> resource, and
>>>this has been a common strategy. Root is "entity" at http://wik.me/2s
>>> .
>>>
>>>I mentioned in my first post to this forum that our aim was to create a
>>>structure that could serve as a kind of devolved universal
>>> ontology/universal
>>>data schema. The challenge has been to find a structure that maintains
>>> this
>>>universality, but still offers some usefulness. What we have at the
>>> moment has
>>>even fewer axioms than WordNet - and I'm sure we could introduce more.
>>> It's a
>>>work-in-progress, and I'd certainly value the input of anyone on this
>>> forum who
>>>is interested.
>>>
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>On 28 February 2011 03:44, ZENG, MARCIA <mzeng@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>I happen to find the taxonomy behind wik.me, starting from the high
>>> level:
>>>>
>>>> * organization
>>>> * person
>>>> * production
>>>> * location
>>>> * event
>>>>http://wik.me/1#foundPages
>>>>
>>>>At each ‘category’ there is also a synonym ring, for example, e.g.:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Person
>>>>>
>>>>>Of people, organism and causal agent May also be referred to
>>>>> as individual,
>>>>>mortal, somebody, someone and soul.
>>>>>
>>>>>A human being; "there was too much for one person to do".
>>>>>
>>>It would be interesting to see the taxonomy, for example, ‘shape’ is
>>> the first
>>>under ‘people’.
>>>Thanks for sharing this interesting service!
>>>Marcia
>>>
>>>
>>>On 2/27/11 4:12 AM, "Stephen Young" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Pavithra, I think you must have misspelled "Einstein".
>>>> http://search.wik.me/search.htm?words=Albert+Einstein returns 20+
>>>> concepts
>>>>named for Albert Einstein - and the topmost result is the man
>>>> himself. And that
>>>>list is something you CANNOT get from Google.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Clicking the top result http://wik.me/lfn2 ("Albert Einstein") also
>>>> gives you
>>>>something you can't get from Google - a self-organised presentation of
>>>> what
>>>>wik.me <http://wik.me> "knows" about Einstein. Google knows
>>>> *nothing* about
>>>>Einstein but where to find pages that contain the string "Albert
>>>> Einstein".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Structured data is always going to permit greater functionality than
>>>> keyword
>>>>indexing. If it didn't, you and I wouldn't have a job ;-)
>>>>
>>>>But of course Google is more robust - it would have detected your
>>>> spelling
>>>>mistake and given you the most-likely valid alternative. So it should
>>>> be with
>>>>2000 engineers and over a decade of refinement.
>>>>
>>>>wik.me <http://wik.me> can also only return results based on the data
>>>> it has
>>>>mapped, which means it's a valid alternative to Google for only a
>>>> minority of
>>>>searches. Our estimates suggest that with all organisations, products
>>>> and
>>>>services in, we should give a much better experience for around 65% of
>>>> all
>>>>searches currently made against Google. That's next.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Stephen Young
>>>CEO @ factnexus.com
>>>Architect @ wik.me
>>>Founding member @ knowledgerights.org
>>>
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