On Mon, February 28, 2011 12:41, Schiffel, Jeffrey A said:
> Azamat,
>
> Contrary to your statement, "...classification/sorting/categorization is
> hardly among a basic mental operation," those are actually basic mental
> operations. (01)
I think you are talking past each other and i agree with each. (02)
I took Azamat to be referring to setting up formal structures of
classification, while i understand Jeffrey to be referring to
assigning categories to anything sensed in order to think about it. (03)
As John Sowa has commented, assigning basic categories is a very basic
task that animals engage in. Non-human animals classify items as food,
something to flee, mating prospect, home, water, own group, and other
categories depending upon species. (04)
However, setting up complex formal structures of categories is not
such a basic mental operation. (05)
> They are how we understand the world, and how we revise our understanding
> when presented with new and conflicting information.
>
> They are also the motivators for much of our artificial intelligence
> research like ontology development, because we are looking for external
> assistance for those mental activities. (06)
Somehow, i don't think of motivation for AI research as a basic mental
operation. (07)
-- doug foxvog (08)
> -- Jeff
>
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> "So the knowledge creation process might be thought of as the steps:
> attention, connection, exchange, filtration, integration, new knowledge."
> Here is the strong side of WordNet: knowledge is the result of interacting
> of two cognitive processes: basic mental processes ( as attention,
> perception, memory, representation, classification, and learning) and
> higher operations (as search, thinking, implication, deciding, knowing and
> language).
> Although, classification/sorting/categorization is hardly among a basic
> mental operation.
> Azamat Abdoullaev
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>>
>> In passing, Ferenc cited Bela Hamvas, who stated, "Attention is the
>> weakest, but a minimum form of connecting. It is also the minimum
>> price you pay for getting connected. Getting connected means
>> exchanging information. 'Information is transformation'"
>>
>> I agree with the conclusion, that "connecting" leads to "information
>> is transformation." I also interpret this to mean that once people
>> connect, knowledge exchange and creation is enabled.
>>
>> I do not agree that "attention is the weakest, but minimum form of
>> connecting." My experience is that attracting attention the hardest
>> part of communication. It is thus the most expensive. In our
>> environment of continuous data from many diverse sources, finding out
>> how to be heard above the background is not a trivial task. Look at
>> any staff meeting, or get the attention of any teenager ;-)
>>
>> So the knowledge creation process might be thought of as the steps:
>> attention, connection, exchange, filtration, integration, new knowledge.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -- Jeff Schiffel
>>
>>
>>
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