Re: [ontolog-forum] Tighter control of ontolog forum? - a solution?

[Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Pavitra,

I am happy filtering out the discussions that are not relevant to my interest, for the sake of all the great onese
I learn from, and for which I am thankful

to make ontolog an announcement only, or an instrument of propaganda to propagate the views of
a few,  would be equivalent to killing it - more importantly, it would be equivalent to kill ontological freedom, and
freedom of discourse (the ontological equivalent to freedom of speech) 
to which i devote many of our lives are devoted

The level of interest in the discussion topics is demonstrated by the responses they obtain,
and when they are interesting, they die off 

i will however not hesitate to start immediately an alternative list, and be ready to move discourse
in a non controlled environment if for some reason the community loses freedom of speech in this one




PDM

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:47 AM, Pavithra <pavithra_kenjige@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello Ed and Peter and everyone..

In response to thoughts on this thread, and in order to retain the interest and facilitate further free flowing communication, and reduce unwanted noise on this forum  I would like to offer a solution .

I would like t ot create a google email group in addition to this forum and have people continue with the discussion on ontology related discussion that may be outside of this forum.  And Peter can use this forum strictly to notify meeting and follow up information and to those discussions that are strictly relevant to this Ontolog forum.

I would like to call it ontolog-forum-interest-group ?  Any thoughts?

Pavithra Kenjige

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Ed Barkmeyer <edbark@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Ed Barkmeyer <edbark@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Tighter control of ontolog forum?
To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:52 PM

Peter Yim wrote:

> 1.  I have, of late, received some complaints again, that the ontolog
> forum has been overloaded with too many off-topic notes that
> contribute very little to the subject of ontology and its
> applications. ...

The word "ontology" confuses, along with several others we commonly
use.  The purpose of this forum is to facilitate interchanges among
knowledge engineers about knowledge engineering.  As we know, that
touches on mathematical logic, on philosophical issues, on the nature of
"truth" in science, and on a number of areas in linguistics and
semantics.  It is a broad topic, and the discussions of presumably
relevant issues in those areas are clearly appropriate.

On the other hand, as Peter himself has said, this is an informal
discussion group -- a "water cooler conversation" -- and topics of
interest to several people educated in some of these related fields,
although mostly or totally irrelevant to knowledge engineering, do come
up.  I don't really find that troubling, as long as it doesn't become a
dominant characteristic of the forum  for two weeks and 100 emails.

> 7.  Anyone who can't agree to "self-regulate" or who doesn't think the
> examples I cited were inappropriate, please email me offline (I could
> well be mistaken ... but let's not burden the rest of the community.)
>   

I am taking the risk of annoying Peter and others by responding to this
online.  I composed a defense of most of the emails Peter finds fault
with, but I won't burden you all with it.  The upshot is that people
have to judge the relevance of their contribution, and they can be
misled by the irrelevance of others.  People can only write as well as
they can in the time they have, and they may write too clumsily or too
technically for many readers (or some strident ones).  And finally,
people tend to mix messages, which produces a confusion of focus or intent.

That said, there are some authors whose emails I routinely delete
without reading -- whatever their expertise, its relevance has never
been visible _to me_ in their written contributions -- and when their
emails and the replies to them dominate a thread, I delete the thread. 
But that is my choice and my opinion, and I may be missing something. 
This Forum is a jungle and some apparently noxious plants still have
medicinal value.

This is the guidance I take from Peter's message:

Think before you write.  Focus on the issue when you reply.  And
remember that 700 people are going to get this message, and their common
interest is knowledge engineering, which means that 70% of them have
neither knowledge nor interest in the esoteric aspects of your
particular domain of expertise or any other sidebar.  They only care
about the aspects that are relevant to knowledge engineering.

And oh yeah, mea culpa.  I have certainly violated this guidance myself
on multiple occasions, and I apologize to those who have found that
annoying.

-Ed

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