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Re: [ontolog-forum] Tighter control of ontolog forum?

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From: ravi sharma <drravisharma@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:31:20 -0500
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I agree with your summary on Peter's guidance and will likewise also be careful.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Ed Barkmeyer <edbark@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Peter Yim wrote:

> 1.  I have, of late, received some complaints again, that the ontolog
> forum has been overloaded with too many off-topic notes that
> contribute very little to the subject of ontology and its
> applications. ...

The word "ontology" confuses, along with several others we commonly
use.  The purpose of this forum is to facilitate interchanges among
knowledge engineers about knowledge engineering.  As we know, that
touches on mathematical logic, on philosophical issues, on the nature of
"truth" in science, and on a number of areas in linguistics and
semantics.  It is a broad topic, and the discussions of presumably
relevant issues in those areas are clearly appropriate.

On the other hand, as Peter himself has said, this is an informal
discussion group -- a "water cooler conversation" -- and topics of
interest to several people educated in some of these related fields,
although mostly or totally irrelevant to knowledge engineering, do come
up.  I don't really find that troubling, as long as it doesn't become a
dominant characteristic of the forum  for two weeks and 100 emails.

> 7.  Anyone who can't agree to "self-regulate" or who doesn't think the
> examples I cited were inappropriate, please email me offline (I could
> well be mistaken ... but let's not burden the rest of the community.)

I am taking the risk of annoying Peter and others by responding to this
online.  I composed a defense of most of the emails Peter finds fault
with, but I won't burden you all with it.  The upshot is that people
have to judge the relevance of their contribution, and they can be
misled by the irrelevance of others.  People can only write as well as
they can in the time they have, and they may write too clumsily or too
technically for many readers (or some strident ones).  And finally,
people tend to mix messages, which produces a confusion of focus or intent.

That said, there are some authors whose emails I routinely delete
without reading -- whatever their expertise, its relevance has never
been visible _to me_ in their written contributions -- and when their
emails and the replies to them dominate a thread, I delete the thread.
But that is my choice and my opinion, and I may be missing something.
This Forum is a jungle and some apparently noxious plants still have
medicinal value.

This is the guidance I take from Peter's message:

Think before you write.  Focus on the issue when you reply.  And
remember that 700 people are going to get this message, and their common
interest is knowledge engineering, which means that 70% of them have
neither knowledge nor interest in the esoteric aspects of your
particular domain of expertise or any other sidebar.  They only care
about the aspects that are relevant to knowledge engineering.

And oh yeah, mea culpa.  I have certainly violated this guidance myself
on multiple occasions, and I apologize to those who have found that


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