Erick (01)
That is exactly the exercise we are going through at the moment - working
out a migration path to integrate concventional systems to the SemWeb. As a
company we have about 25 years experience with semantic standards for data
exchange (I've only been involved for about 18), however even getting
implementations in conventional technology is hard work. (02)
The main problem is that information integration is not seen by the broader
computing world as a specialist discipline, and consequently any programmer
thinks he can do the job of writing a file format. Historically, most of our
interchanges have been on a bilateral basis. This leads to lots of cheap,
pairwise interfaces. Implementing a semantic data exchange standard is
comparatively expensive and painful, and often it is hard to justify the
payback until the second time you use it, which may be several years down
the line. (03)
If its hard to get implementations using conventional technology, then its
going to be worse doing it with what is to most managers an obscure
technology. There looks to be a business case for building interfaces to
large numbers of loosely coupled systems. In particular, it should be easier
to maintain and deploy ontology based systems. Understanding the migration
path integrating existing systems, the costs involved, and the lifecycle
costs of maintaining ontology based systems is still some way off. (04)
Sean Barker
Bristol, UK (05)
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Dear Ian, Matthew, (09)
thanks a lot for your replies (very interesting projects). I was wondering
how hard or how easy was to "convince" your people (ranging from
supervisors/managers to end users) and/or budget keepers or funding agencies
in your respective companies (e.g. Shell) or research centers to embark on a
relatively "new" (not that popularised) technology (referring to ontologies,
Semantic Web, standards like ISO 15926, etc...). Have you faced any walls
which were difficult to overcome? As engineers, we can probably "see" more
easily the added value we could get once an integrated system based on
standards (and
ontologies) is up and running. Users are more than convinced that having a
controlled vocabulary and standards are a must. Nevertheless, such
integration could also be achieved by using "classic"
technologies (relational databases) and still be able to exchange complex
information. Could you share you experience in those regards? (010)
regards,
Erick (011)
2009/10/22 Matthew West <dr.matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx>:
> Dear Erick,
>
>> I can think of a couple of projects, and I think Chris Partridge has
>> some examples from the financial industries also.
>>
>> One involved an oil company (a big one !) that I'm not allowed to
>> name, but the chap who ran the project follows this forum, so I
>> expect he'll contact you offline.
>
> MW: That will be me then, and the oil company is Shell, whom I used to
> work for.
>
>> The project had two threads - one was around having a common
>> foundation for all the data models across their downstream business.
>
> The first project Ian mentions was a data model of Shell's Downstream
> Business. I did a presentation of this at the DAMA conference in
> London a few years ago.
> http://www.matthew-west.org.uk/documents/DAMA%20Developing%20Shell's%2
> 0D
> ownstream%20Data%20Model.ppt
>
>> The
>> other was an implementation to integrate the dictionaries of various
>> ERP systems.
>
> MW: That I don't have anything on in the public domain. But this might
> be interesting:
> http://www.matthew-west.org.uk/documents/STEPintoTheRealWorld.PDF
>
> It is about integrating engineering data for a major project.
>
> Regards
>
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