Re: [ontolog-forum] Wittgenstein and the pictures

[FERENC KOVACS <f.kovacs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Ravi,

I see.

I do not find evolution and creation different, They are the same thing, taken a picture of at different speed only

Creation when time taken is very short, evolution, when many moments of creation are taken in a row. So what is out constant speed of perception?

 

Kindest regards,

 

 

Ferenc Kovacs

alias Frank

Genezistan

"Starting all over"

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----- Original Message ----
From: "Sharma, Ravi" <Ravi.Sharma@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: [ontolog-forum] <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, 1 August, 2008 12:16:55 AM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Wittgenstein and the pictures

Frank

That is not necessarily the point of view of all, and we do not necessarily want to get into the evolution-creation endless loop!

Thanks.

Ravi

(Dr. Ravi Sharma) Senior Enterprise Architect

Vangent, Inc. Technology Excellence Center (TEC)

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Professional viewpoints do not necessarily imply organizational endorsement.

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From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of FERENC KOVACS
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:05 PM
To: [ontolog-forum]
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Wittgenstein and the pictures

 

Len, you did not like my previous mail at all?

However, I believe  I have no direct experience of any direct (raditation, energy dose or any metaphysical let alone ESP impact on me to identify or to calculate wtih.So probably everything I can think of is ephemeral, which is alright for me. But I miss the attitude of man towards life that was allegedly taken by God in Genezis. God created a number of things and he SAW THAT IT WAS GOOD.Why cannot man come to that end of the creative cycle?  
 

Kindest regards,

 

 

Ferenc Kovacs

alias Frank

Genezistan

"Starting all over"

+44 77 70654068 (Vodafone)
www.firkasz.com and http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?FerencKovacs

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message ----
From: Len Yabloko <lenya@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: [ontolog-forum] <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, 31 July, 2008 4:26:44 PM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Wittgenstein and the pictures

Frank,

>If you co-operate with your environment smoothly, you do not need to communicate at all.

Thank you for this observation. This may be stated succinctly as: communication is ephemeral. I would go further and conclude that communication is not a primary phenomenon of nature, but rather an epi-phenomenon (or phantom). The actual emergent phenomenon is culture (or any other form of self-organization). This may explain why physicist have difficulties explaining communication as phenomenon that seemingly observed in "action at distance". The same with nature of information.

>This also means that thinking is not tied up with using an NL, and the building blocks of thinking are not concepts, especially not words.

I think that thinking is epi-phenomenon as well. So no matter who you dicect it - you will get some meta-physical notions like concepts. You can call it language or anything else. All this things are epi-phenomena taking place in semantics dimension that exists only as emergent link between pragmatic dimension(goal) and semantic dimension(observation).


Len Yabloko, Owner/CEO
Next Generation Software
www.ontospace.net





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