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From: "Azamat" <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:43:20 +0200
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Stavros, like it or not, you in the irreal place where most things are badly perverted. Where some AI debunked formal logicians metamorphosed into bad ontologists, where logical drool is presented as the frontier of semantics and ontology, where 'reality' is an abusive word, and where one chronic self-promoter, having comic incognizance of ontology, will be constantly making his logical crap on you, adding insult if you try to resist.
 
As for your concern. Engineering ontology, which you are interested, is an application of theoretical ontology, which only gives you basic categories, models, schema, axioms, and rules of REALITY. Ignoring the fundamentals will doom you to concoct defective artefacts and faulty applications; for the real world knowledge systems necessitates a true account of Reality, the world, like this or not. Now it's you choice which way to go: the utopia of formal unreality or the true world of reality.
 
regards,
Azamat
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:40 AM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] electric sheep

You are at the right place, Stavros. We are just a pretty tolerant group, tolerating many spouters. Welcome aboard. By the way, we tend to smack around the idiots, but are typically open to insight from everyone.
 
Thanks,
Leo


From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stavros Macrakis
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 5:43 PM
To: [ontolog-forum]
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] electric sheep

On Nov 9, 2007 3:36 PM, Azamat <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
...the real nature of ontology. Namely, that it studies the being of
everything which exists and changes; that it is the general account
of reality, ...; that it increases the world knowledge, unfolds new
basic truths, develops new sciences and technology

I joined this mailing list recently, thinking that it was about "ontology" in the (arguably trivializing and abusive) computer science sense, that is, building rich, useful, machine-processable descriptions of concepts and relationships and using them in practical ways.  Of course, these descriptions should be informed as much as possible by insights from philosophy, psychology, and confectionery, but I'd rather not wait until these fields have reached their final conclusions (42?).

If I have misunderstood, and in fact this mailing list is devoted to a foundationalist "general account of reality", then I am in the wrong place.  If on the other hand it is in fact devoted to the more mundane engineering and scientific tasks I sketch above, perhaps the more ambitious discussions could find another home?

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On Nov 9, 2007 3:36 PM, Azamat <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
...the real nature of ontology. Namely, that it studies the being of
everything which exists and changes; that it is the general account
of reality, ...; that it increases the world knowledge, unfolds new
basic truths, develops new sciences and technology

I joined this mailing list recently, thinking that it was about "ontology" in the (arguably trivializing and abusive) computer science sense, that is, building rich, useful, machine-processable descriptions of concepts and relationships and using them in practical ways.  Of course, these descriptions should be informed as much as possible by insights from philosophy, psychology, and confectionery, but I'd rather not wait until these fields have reached their final conclusions (42?).

If I have misunderstood, and in fact this mailing list is devoted to a foundationalist "general account of reality", then I am in the wrong place.  If on the other hand it is in fact devoted to the more mundane engineering and scientific tasks I sketch above, perhaps the more ambitious discussions could find another home?




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