ontolog-forum
[Top] [All Lists]

Re: [ontolog-forum] Syntax, Semantics, Pragmatics, Oh My !!!

To: "[ontolog-forum] " <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: "Peter F Brown" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 01:50:58 +0200
Message-id: <1B2253B0359130439EA571FF30251AAE0449AF@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Duane:
I'm not sure about the roles played by semantics and taxonomy in your stack: 
parts of the stack are *about* semantics (the good 'ol use/mention problem) and 
taxonomy is only a specific organisational schema, not a part of such a stack? 
I'd say    (01)

Peter    (02)

-----Original Message-----
From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Duane Nickull
Sent: 02 August 2007 16:15
To: [ontolog-forum]
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Syntax, Semantics, Pragmatics, Oh My !!!    (03)

This conversation is starting to go dangerously close creating a newer version 
of the 7 layer OSI stack but for cognitive applications.    (04)

In terms of breaking up functionality required for true interoperability, the 
OSI stack ignored semantics (probably why it is viewed as a pure technical 
model rather than an interoperability model).    (05)

Perhaps it the time is ripe for identifying a new stack for interoperability 
between cognitive applications?  Here is a random model of some of the concepts 
(attached).    (06)

Comments, criticism, flames all welcome.    (07)

Duane    (08)



On 8/2/07 12:36 PM, "Jon Awbrey" <jawbrey@xxxxxxx> wrote:    (09)

> o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o
> 
> AT = Andreas Tolk
> 
> Re: Syntax, Semantics, and Sometimes Pragmatics 
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2007-08/msg00025.html
> et seq.
> 
> AT: This is a great discussion and right into the heart of a problem
>     we currently fight with while defining a management language to be
>     used to share information within and about a system.  To cope with
>     this, we used the Levels of Conceptual Interoperability Model
>     ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levels_of_conceptual_interoperability ),
>     which tries to add to this discussion.  In a nutshell, we interpret the
>     layers as follows:  based on connectivity between systems (technical
>     interoperability:  we can exchange something), we use syntax to structure
>     the words and -- in case of technical systems -- terms and/or expressions
>     (syntactical interoperability).  Semantics give word sense -- for systems
>     in form of a thesaurus or dictionary or data model.  Pragmatics gives the
>     intention and the context in which the expression is used. We add dynamics
>     (does the system know how sending and receiving system will change based
>     on the information sent/received) and conceptual interoperability (models
>     are purposeful abstractions of reality, so in order to align them, we have
>     to capture the assumptions).
> 
> AT: Regarding this discussion:
>     syntax = structure,
>     semantics = (word) meaning,
>     pragmatics = context
> 
> Andreas, et al.
> 
> The picture of the situation that Leo outlined is one that derives in 
> large measure from the work that Charles Morris did in trying to 
> understand Charles Sanders Peirce's "semeiotic", or theory of signs.
> 
> Although it can provide us with a good first approach, one that 
> happened to form my own first introduction to the subject, there are 
> many devils in the details that have to be exorcised in the long haul.  
> I will try to give some indication of these as the discussion 
> continues.  I already gave some links to various articles on semiotics 
> and sign relations that I hope will save us all some labor in this effort.
> 
> Jon Awbrey
> 
> o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o
> inquiry e-lab: http://stderr.org/pipermail/inquiry/
> ¢iare: http://www.centiare.com/Directory:Jon_Awbrey
> getwiki: http://www.getwiki.net/-User_talk:Jon_Awbrey
> zhongwen wp: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Awbrey
> http://www.altheim.com/ceryle/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=JonAwbrey
> wp review: http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showuser=398
> o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o~~~~~~~~~o
> 
>  
> _________________________________________________________________
> Message Archives: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/
> Subscribe/Config: 
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontolog-forum/
> Unsubscribe: mailto:ontolog-forum-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Shared Files: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/ Community Wiki: 
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/ To Post: 
> mailto:ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>      (010)

--
**********************************************************************
"Speaking only for myself"
Blog - http://technoracle.blogspot.com
Community Music - http://www.mix2r.com
My Band - http://www.myspace.com/22ndcentury
MAX 2007 - http://technoracle.blogspot.com/2007/07/adobe-max-2007.html
**********************************************************************    (011)


_________________________________________________________________
Message Archives: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/  
Subscribe/Config: http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontolog-forum/  
Unsubscribe: mailto:ontolog-forum-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Shared Files: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/
Community Wiki: http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/ 
To Post: mailto:ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx    (012)

<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>