Gary,
See my short comments below.
regards,
Azamat
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From: "Gary Berg-Cross" <gary.berg-cross@xxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Terminology Question concerningWebArchitecture (01)
> Azamat,
>
>>You or any qualified member of this forum are >welcome to choose an
> interesting chapter and return >with interspersed comments on style,
> typos, >grammar, reference additions, etc., but within two >weeks.
>
> Interesting offer, but the I have a questions about the "etc." in your
> " interspersed comments on style, typos, >grammar, reference additions,
> etc."
>
> Does the "etc." include substantive comments/ disagreements/alternative
> points of view to consider (with references)? (02)
Certainly.
>
> Would you consider having a reviewer, say, take a paragraph, comment on
> it, and have the paragraph with comment serve as a topic on this forum? (03)
I am afraid, it is not allowed by the agreement signed with the publisher.
But this always can be done later upon publishing the book. (04)
> A problem here is that it might be out of context from the material
> preceding it. So I can understand if you would rather not do this.
>
> Lots of ways to discuss things in a Web World....
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Gary Berg-Cross, Ph.D.
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> Abdoullaev
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:09 AM
> To: [ontolog-forum]
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Terminology Question
> concerningWebArchitecture
>
>
>>Exploiting your interest and expertise, and for more systematic answer,
> i
>>am ready to present for your editorial comments the Chapter III titled,
> THE WORLD CODE: Mathematical Ontology as the Real Road to Reality (9
> pages,
> single spaced)
>
> Gary proposed:
> ''Some people may have time and interest to read over this, but for the
> rest
> of us do you have modular pieces that might give the flavor of your
> thinking
> on perennial issues/ Perhaps some topic covered earlier or an old
> favorite...''
>
> Gary,
> To meet such demand, i can do something what might help save my time
> also.
> As an attached file, there is a table of contents of the manuscript on
> Reality, Universal Ontology and Knowledge Systems, to be last proofread
> and
> returned within 3 weeks to my American publisher. You or any qualified
> member of this forum are welcome to choose an interesting chapter and
> return
> with interspersed comments on style, typos, grammar, reference
> additions,
> etc., but within two weeks.
> Of course, the material will stay only for private communication and
> can't
> be distributed. Paola has read most of materials, for what i offer her
> many
> thanks. ''The World Code'' will be emailed to Pat.
>
> Azamat Abdoullaev
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Berg-Cross" <gary.berg-cross@xxxxxxxx>
> To: "[ontolog-forum] " <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Terminology Question
> concerningWebArchitecture
>
>
> Azamat,
>
>>Exploiting your interest and expertise, and for more systematic answer,
> i
>>am ready to present for your editorial comments the Chapter III titled,
> THE WORLD CODE: Mathematical Ontology as the Real Road to Reality (9
> pages,
> single spaced)
>
> Some people may have time and interest to read over this, but for the
> rest
> of us do you have modular pieces that might give the flavor of your
> thinking
> on perennial issues/ Perhaps some topic covered earlier or an old
> favorite
> (e.g. -- is the paint on the wall of a room in the room, or part of the
>
> room? Or moree broadly can substance be reduced to sets or collections
> of
> properties?).
>
> Gary Berg-Cross, Ph.D.
> Spatial Ontology Community of Practice (SOCoP)
> http://www.visualknowledge.com/wiki/socop
> <https://mail.em-i.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.visualknowle
> dge.com/wiki/socop>
> Executive Secretariat
> Semantic Technology
> EM&I
> Suite 350 455 Spring park Place
> Herndon VA 20170
> 703-742-0585
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Azamat
> Sent: Tue 7/24/2007 4:24 PM
> To: Pat Hayes
> Cc: [ontolog-forum]
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Terminology Question
> concerningWebArchitecture
> and LinkedData
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Some comments below.
> Regards,
> Azamat
>
>
>>>>>''A common world model'', or a single global ontology, is a
> necessary
>>>>>and
>>>>>sufficient condition of powerful intelligent systems.
>>>>
>>>>Well, that is wrong both ways round. It is certainly not
>>>>sufficient: an ontology by itself, no matter how global or common
>>>>or all-encompassing, does not DO anything, and intelligence is only
>>>>revealed in activity of some kind. And it is not necessary, since
>>>>the only exemplars we have of intelligence are ourselves - human
>>>>intelligence - and we do not have a single common world model.
>>>
>>>You do have it. Just don't feel it.
>>
>> No, we really do not have a single common ontology. This is quite
>> evident when one tries to get people to agree on a formal ontology.
>> They seriously disagree - that is, they each find the other's point
>> of view insane, and will argue for hours, in some cases for years -
>> about questions such as:
>>
>> -- is the paint on the wall of a room in the room, or part of the
> room?
>> -- is saying that a cat is eating at a time t the same as saying that
>> the temporal part of the cat at t is eating?
>> -- is a cat at a time t the same thing as the same cat at a different
> time
>> t'?
>>
>> and many, many others.
>
> This is a sort of sophistical technicalities, created by endurantists
> and
> perdurantists, and irrelevant to a serious discussion.
>
>>
>>
>>>>>....
>>>>>A fundamental ontology is not a matter of choice or discussion. It
> is an
>>>>>essential constituent of any knowledge, human or
> machine-understandable,
>>>>>of
>>>>>any reasoning, natural or artificial, of any language, natural or
>>>>>formal, of
>>>>>any artefacts, physical or intelligent,
>>>>
>>>>Sorry, but this is nonsense. Reasoning takes place in mathematics,
>>>>for example, without the benefit of a fundamental ontology.
>>>
>>>Sorry, but this is a real nonsense. All great mathematical theories
>>>are underpinned by fundamental ontology, its categories and rules.
>>
>> What categories and rules of an ontology are required for, say,
>> algebraic topology, or formal set theory?
>
> the universe, set, class, entity, object, structure, order and
> relationship.
> No wonder that the originator of set theory in his foundational work
> (Cantor, 1883), considered his creation as an extension of a classical
> ontology.
>
> Cantor, G. (1883). Foundations of a General Theory of Aggregates. In W.
> Ewald (Ed.) (1996). From Kant to Hilbert: A Source Book in the
> Foundations
> of Mathematics. 2 Vols. Oxford: Oxford Uni. Press.
>
> Exploiting your interest and expertise, and for more systematic answer,
> i am
> ready to present for your editorial comments the Chapter III titled,
> THE WORLD CODE: Mathematical Ontology as the Real Road to Reality (9
> pages,
> single spaced) .
>
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>> Also all the great mathematicians have been also good ontologists
>>>like Cantor.
>>>Azamat
>>>>
>>>>Pat
>>>>
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