Hi Azamat
So much work has gone into your writing (and into my reading!) I am glad you are opening it up. (Be ready for criticism and people not understanding it, but let's be hopeful that we find peers who may like to read an equivalent of the da vinci code for those who like this kind of stuff). Not sure if its a good idea to decompose it, maybe people may find it even more difficult of what it is if they lack the sequence. I can see it can be used as a puzzle. But not everyone will enjoy that, as Gary says
Sooner or later it will be public anyway, although I would like to see it finished ff before you give it away to the enemy! (your critics). I would like to see the work elaborated further, simplified, key principles distilled into bite size chunks, proofed, tested, etc
I did suggest somewhere along the way to produce a 'digest' version of it for easy consumption, (which is what Gary is asking for I think) just to get the jist into some usable format that can help the proofing of the theory and the development of prototypes for testing purposes etc.
But never mind, good luck with this.
pdm
On 7/25/07, Azamat Abdoullaev <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> wrote:
>Exploiting your interest and expertise, and for more systematic answer, i
>am ready to present for your editorial comments the Chapter III titled,
THE WORLD CODE: Mathematical Ontology as the Real Road to Reality (9 pages,
single spaced)
Gary proposed:
''Some people may have time and interest to read over this, but for the rest
of us do you have modular pieces that might give the flavor of your thinking
on perennial issues/ Perhaps some topic covered earlier or an old
favorite...''
Gary,
To meet such demand, i can do something what might help save my time also.
As an attached file, there is a table of contents of the manuscript on
Reality, Universal Ontology and Knowledge Systems, to be last proofread and
returned within 3 weeks to my American publisher. You or any qualified
member of this forum are welcome to choose an interesting chapter and return
with interspersed comments on style, typos, grammar, reference additions,
etc., but within two weeks.
Of course, the material will stay only for private communication and can't
be distributed. Paola has read most of materials, for what i offer her many
thanks. ''The World Code'' will be emailed to Pat.
Azamat Abdoullaev
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Azamat,
>Exploiting your interest and expertise, and for more systematic answer, i
>am ready to present for your editorial comments the Chapter III titled,
THE WORLD CODE: Mathematical Ontology as the Real Road to Reality (9 pages,
single spaced)
Some people may have time and interest to read over this, but for the rest
of us do you have modular pieces that might give the flavor of your thinking
on perennial issues/ Perhaps some topic covered earlier or an old favorite
(e.g. -- is the paint on the wall of a room in the room, or part of the
room? Or moree broadly can substance be reduced to sets or collections of
properties?).
Gary Berg-Cross, Ph.D.
Spatial Ontology Community of Practice (SOCoP)
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Some comments below.
Regards,
Azamat
>>>>''A common world model'', or a single global ontology, is a necessary
>>>>and
>>>>sufficient condition of powerful intelligent systems.
>>>
>>>Well, that is wrong both ways round. It is certainly not
>>>sufficient: an ontology by itself, no matter how global or common
>>>or all-encompassing, does not DO anything, and intelligence is only
>>>revealed in activity of some kind. And it is not necessary, since
>>>the only exemplars we have of intelligence are ourselves - human
>>>intelligence - and we do not have a single common world model.
>>
>>You do have it. Just don't feel it.
>
> No, we really do not have a single common ontology. This is quite
> evident when one tries to get people to agree on a formal ontology.
> They seriously disagree - that is, they each find the other's point
> of view insane, and will argue for hours, in some cases for years -
> about questions such as:
>
> -- is the paint on the wall of a room in the room, or part of the room?
> -- is saying that a cat is eating at a time t the same as saying that
> the temporal part of the cat at t is eating?
> -- is a cat at a time t the same thing as the same cat at a different time
> t'?
>
> and many, many others.
This is a sort of sophistical technicalities, created by endurantists and
perdurantists, and irrelevant to a serious discussion.
>
>
>>>>....
>>>>A fundamental ontology is not a matter of choice or discussion. It is an
>>>>essential constituent of any knowledge, human or machine-understandable,
>>>>of
>>>>any reasoning, natural or artificial, of any language, natural or
>>>>formal, of
>>>>any artefacts, physical or intelligent,
>>>
>>>Sorry, but this is nonsense. Reasoning takes place in mathematics,
>>>for example, without the benefit of a fundamental ontology.
>>
>>Sorry, but this is a real nonsense. All great mathematical theories
>>are underpinned by fundamental ontology, its categories and rules.
>
> What categories and rules of an ontology are required for, say,
> algebraic topology, or formal set theory?
the universe, set, class, entity, object, structure, order and relationship.
No wonder that the originator of set theory in his foundational work
(Cantor, 1883), considered his creation as an extension of a classical
ontology.
Cantor, G. (1883). Foundations of a General Theory of Aggregates. In W.
Ewald (Ed.) (1996). From Kant to Hilbert: A Source Book in the Foundations
of Mathematics. 2 Vols. Oxford: Oxford Uni. Press.
Exploiting your interest and expertise, and for more systematic answer, i am
ready to present for your editorial comments the Chapter III titled,
THE WORLD CODE: Mathematical Ontology as the Real Road to Reality (9 pages,
single spaced) .
>
> Pat
>
>> Also all the great mathematicians have been also good ontologists
>>like Cantor.
>>Azamat
>>>
>>>Pat
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