Azamat, (01)
>You or any qualified member of this forum are >welcome to choose an
interesting chapter and return >with interspersed comments on style,
typos, >grammar, reference additions, etc., but within two >weeks. (02)
Interesting offer, but the I have a questions about the "etc." in your
" interspersed comments on style, typos, >grammar, reference additions,
etc." (03)
Does the "etc." include substantive comments/ disagreements/alternative
points of view to consider (with references)? (04)
Would you consider having a reviewer, say, take a paragraph, comment on
it, and have the paragraph with comment serve as a topic on this forum?
A problem here is that it might be out of context from the material
preceding it. So I can understand if you would rather not do this. (05)
Lots of ways to discuss things in a Web World.... (06)
Regards, (07)
Gary Berg-Cross, Ph.D.
Spatial Ontology Community of Practice (SOCoP)
http://www.visualknowledge.com/wiki/socop
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>Exploiting your interest and expertise, and for more systematic answer,
i
>am ready to present for your editorial comments the Chapter III titled,
THE WORLD CODE: Mathematical Ontology as the Real Road to Reality (9
pages,
single spaced) (010)
Gary proposed:
''Some people may have time and interest to read over this, but for the
rest
of us do you have modular pieces that might give the flavor of your
thinking
on perennial issues/ Perhaps some topic covered earlier or an old
favorite...'' (011)
Gary,
To meet such demand, i can do something what might help save my time
also.
As an attached file, there is a table of contents of the manuscript on
Reality, Universal Ontology and Knowledge Systems, to be last proofread
and
returned within 3 weeks to my American publisher. You or any qualified
member of this forum are welcome to choose an interesting chapter and
return
with interspersed comments on style, typos, grammar, reference
additions,
etc., but within two weeks.
Of course, the material will stay only for private communication and
can't
be distributed. Paola has read most of materials, for what i offer her
many
thanks. ''The World Code'' will be emailed to Pat. (012)
Azamat Abdoullaev (013)
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Azamat, (015)
>Exploiting your interest and expertise, and for more systematic answer,
i
>am ready to present for your editorial comments the Chapter III titled,
THE WORLD CODE: Mathematical Ontology as the Real Road to Reality (9
pages,
single spaced) (016)
Some people may have time and interest to read over this, but for the
rest
of us do you have modular pieces that might give the flavor of your
thinking
on perennial issues/ Perhaps some topic covered earlier or an old
favorite
(e.g. -- is the paint on the wall of a room in the room, or part of the (017)
room? Or moree broadly can substance be reduced to sets or collections
of
properties?). (018)
Gary Berg-Cross, Ph.D.
Spatial Ontology Community of Practice (SOCoP)
http://www.visualknowledge.com/wiki/socop
<https://mail.em-i.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.visualknowle
dge.com/wiki/socop>
Executive Secretariat
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Sent: Tue 7/24/2007 4:24 PM
To: Pat Hayes
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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Terminology Question
concerningWebArchitecture
and LinkedData (021)
Some comments below.
Regards,
Azamat (022)
>>>>''A common world model'', or a single global ontology, is a
necessary
>>>>and
>>>>sufficient condition of powerful intelligent systems.
>>>
>>>Well, that is wrong both ways round. It is certainly not
>>>sufficient: an ontology by itself, no matter how global or common
>>>or all-encompassing, does not DO anything, and intelligence is only
>>>revealed in activity of some kind. And it is not necessary, since
>>>the only exemplars we have of intelligence are ourselves - human
>>>intelligence - and we do not have a single common world model.
>>
>>You do have it. Just don't feel it.
>
> No, we really do not have a single common ontology. This is quite
> evident when one tries to get people to agree on a formal ontology.
> They seriously disagree - that is, they each find the other's point
> of view insane, and will argue for hours, in some cases for years -
> about questions such as:
>
> -- is the paint on the wall of a room in the room, or part of the
room?
> -- is saying that a cat is eating at a time t the same as saying that
> the temporal part of the cat at t is eating?
> -- is a cat at a time t the same thing as the same cat at a different
time
> t'?
>
> and many, many others. (023)
This is a sort of sophistical technicalities, created by endurantists
and
perdurantists, and irrelevant to a serious discussion. (024)
>
>
>>>>....
>>>>A fundamental ontology is not a matter of choice or discussion. It
is an
>>>>essential constituent of any knowledge, human or
machine-understandable,
>>>>of
>>>>any reasoning, natural or artificial, of any language, natural or
>>>>formal, of
>>>>any artefacts, physical or intelligent,
>>>
>>>Sorry, but this is nonsense. Reasoning takes place in mathematics,
>>>for example, without the benefit of a fundamental ontology.
>>
>>Sorry, but this is a real nonsense. All great mathematical theories
>>are underpinned by fundamental ontology, its categories and rules.
>
> What categories and rules of an ontology are required for, say,
> algebraic topology, or formal set theory? (025)
the universe, set, class, entity, object, structure, order and
relationship.
No wonder that the originator of set theory in his foundational work
(Cantor, 1883), considered his creation as an extension of a classical
ontology. (026)
Cantor, G. (1883). Foundations of a General Theory of Aggregates. In W.
Ewald (Ed.) (1996). From Kant to Hilbert: A Source Book in the
Foundations
of Mathematics. 2 Vols. Oxford: Oxford Uni. Press. (027)
Exploiting your interest and expertise, and for more systematic answer,
i am
ready to present for your editorial comments the Chapter III titled,
THE WORLD CODE: Mathematical Ontology as the Real Road to Reality (9
pages,
single spaced) . (028)
>
> Pat
>
>> Also all the great mathematicians have been also good ontologists
>>like Cantor.
>>Azamat
>>>
>>>Pat
>>>
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