Pat (01)
The problem remains, either
A) you create a system based on the extensive enquiry of experts which
the user (non-academic) population regard as being of academic interest,
and so use inaccurately (misuse), or
B) you create a system which people think they understand, but doesn't
quite give the answers they expect. (02)
My guess is the engineering goal is define a system where the risk
(disbenefit) of being wrong is acceptable to the user. For example, in
an emergency there is a considerable risk should you confuse 'Fire!'
meaning the vehicle is on fire and 'Fire' meaning shoot at the vehicle.
It gets even trickier where there are communities with different
risk/benefits analysis. I may not particularly care whether the paint I
buy is coloured "Taupe" or "Unbleached Linen", but my wife invests more
heavily in such decisions. (03)
Sean Barker
Bristol, UK (04)
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represent an official company view. (05)
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> To: Waclaw Kusnierczyk
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> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] notes and rumours
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> >John F. Sowa wrote:
> >> the Slavic languages make
> >> a sharp distinction of siniy (dark blue) and goluboy
> (light blue).
> >
> >In Polish, 'siny' is typically defined as blue-violet, not just dark
> >blue; it is the color of desaturated blood (visible, e.g.,
> on the lips
> >of someone who freezes). Blue (simply blue) is 'niebieski' ('niebo'
> >means sky), and there is also 'blekitny' (light blue, more or less),
> >etc. -- surely you have a few such words in English as well?
>
> I would translate both 'siny' and 'niebieski' as 'blue' and
> 'blekitny' as 'pastel blue' or 'sky blue' or 'light blue'
> depending on the context, unless a more precise translation
> were important.
> English refers to frozen people having blue lips.
> This kind of phenomenon is common, almost
> universal: different cultures and languages carve up the
> color space into different named regions.
> (The same happens with, for example, spatial
> prepositions: Dutch has a version of 'in' which applies only
> to the case of a tight or exact
> fit.) Nevertheless, the choice of the
> prototypical colors is, apparently, not cultural.
> A Pole will draw a different boundary around 'niebieski' than
> an Englishman will around 'blue', but if you ask them to
> choose one color point to be the most representative such
> color, they will choose the same one. Everyone on the planet
> will choose fire-engine red, alarm yellow and policeman-blue
> as the most typical or characteristic colors.
>
> For an artist, there are many color names, often very
> precise, some of them named after particular pigments.
> Cerulean is the color of a shallow sea over white sand.
> Prussian blue is a dark, rich green-tinted translucent blue,
> like dark blue glass. Ultramarine is a bright vivid intense
> saturated blue, a little too dark to be 'simply blue' but
> otherwise very close to the prototype.
> Less precise, and more in common usage, there are 'sky blue',
> which refers to a moderate pastel blue (not, in fact, the
> color of a clear sunny sky, which is more saturated) and
> Pthalo blue, which is somewhere between cerulean and prussian.
> Similarly, any painter will know the difference between
> chrome yellow, lemon yellow and naples yellow; or between
> chrome red, alizarin and rose madder; or sap green, viridian
> and chrome green.
> Or, for that matter, between zinc white and titanium white,
> or lamp black and ivory black.
> But I doubt that any of these distinctions are widely known
> by people who do not use artists pigments.
>
> I wonder, is all this English? Or is it Artist English, a
> special dialect?
>
> Pat
>
>
> >
> >A study on this distinction, which perhaps you had in mind, has been
> >recently published in PNAS ("Russian blues reveal effects of
> language
> >on color discrimination", 2007 May 8;104(19):7780-5).
> >
> >vQ
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