The difference in vocabulary between men and women may, after all,
reflect something more than mere linguistic habit. There may be a
genuine difference in *concepts*. (Pardon me for using the c-word; I
repeat after Pat.) (01)
An interesting trace:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06256/721190-114.stm (02)
(I can't find serious scientific publications on this; if you find one,
please let me know.) (03)
vQ (04)
Barker, Sean (UK) wrote:
> The point being that people habitually use a particular vocabulary, and this
>is the vocabulary they are likely to use when describing things, not that they
>couldn't recognise another vocabulary if they could be bothered to read the
>manual. It seems a necessary precondition that to accurately understand a
>vocabulary, you need to understand that the vocabulary has been carefully
>constructed. The question is not "What could people understand", but what will
>they actually understand. The death rate on US railways went down very
>considerably when the too-long-to-read warning signs were replaced with ones
>simply saying "Stop - look - listen".
>
> Sean Barker
> Bristol, UK
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Pat Hayes [mailto:phayes@xxxxxxx]
>> Sent: 02 July 2007 15:49
>> To: Barker, Sean (UK)
>> Cc: [ontolog-forum]
>> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] notes and rumours
>>
>>> 1) A footnote to John Sowa's 'Fads and Fallacies about Logic', the
>>> Greek term Logos, from which the work logic derives, referred to
>>> something written and was contrasted to Mythos, something
>> spoken, from
>>> which. I can't track down the reference, but around the 5th
>> century the
>>> traditional Mythos lost status as compared to Logos, and hence the
>>> negative connotations to the truth value of myths.
>>>
>>> 2) Re previous discussion on creating a "the upper
>> ontology", see the
>>> interview "Shades of Meaning" in this week's New Scientist (30 June
>>> 2007). Among several points relevant to the discussion of
>> ontologies,
>>> "In Benin in West Africa, for example, men and women have different
>>> colour vocabularies".
>> The linguist Robin Lakoff noted some time ago that American
>> men and women have different color vocabularies. Women for
>> example reliably distinguish scarlet from crimson, both of
>> which are described as 'red' by 90% or more of males, and
>> women use color terms such as 'puce', 'teal'
>> and 'ecru' whose meanings are completely opaque to men who do
>> not work in the clothing industry.
>>
>>> It seems unlikely that we could agree a single universal "colour
>>> ontology", except possibly as an academic exercise of little
>> relevance
>>> to real engineers...
>> Naaah, be careful. The lack of a common NL vocabulary does
>> not mean that there is a similar spread of *concepts*. In
>> fact there is considerable evidence that all human beings
>> share a basic set of color perceptions organized around
>> prototypical colors. Different linguistic cultures have built
>> different vocabularies on top of this biological skeleton,
>> but its value is a common organizing framework should not be
>> obscured by mere linguistics.
>>
>> Pat Hayes
>>
>>>
>>> Sean Barker
>>> Bristol, UK
>>>
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>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>> Of John
>>>> F. Sowa
>>>> Sent: 29 June 2007 15:58
>>>> To: [ontolog-forum]
>>>> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] quick question re OKBc
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Debbie,
>>>>
>>>> > ... can you please point to a few valuables in the road kill
>>>> that > should be spotlighted or saved ...
>>>>
>>>> The term was jocular, but the point behind it is that the
>> enormous
>>>> attention and funding that has been poured into the
>> Semantic Web has
>>>> changed the direction of a great deal of R & D. The
>> issues are much
>>>> more complex than just a list of "road kill".
>>>>
>>>> I presented a talk in August 2006, which addressed many of the
>>>> historical trends and the areas that need more attention.
>>>> Following are the slides:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.jfsowa.com/talks/extend.pdf
>>>> Extending Semantic Interoperability
>>>> To Legacy Systems and an Unpredictable Future
>>>>
>>>> Following is an article that addresses some related topics:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/fflogic.pdf
>>>> Fads and Fallacies about Logic
>>>>
>>>> This talk and this article do not discuss the semantic
>> web in any
>>>> detail, but they address some historical trends, some future
>>>> possibilities, and some questions about how to get from
>> where we are
>>>> to where we would like to be.
>>>>
>>>> One of my recommendations is summarized in the following
>> diagram,
>>>> which illustrates various languages and diagrams for the human
>>>> interfaces, various languages for the machine interfaces,
>> and Common
>>>> Logic as the common intermediate language.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.jfsowa.com/figs/comlog.gif
>>>>
>>>> In the middle, Common Logic could be replaced by IKL,
>> which is an
>>>> extension to the draft CL standard that could become
>>> > the basis for a future update to the standard.
>>>> John
>>>>
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