HI Peter
see my separate answer
I really appreciate all your good, hard work (01)
I am just surprised that the survey has been put together without
consultation of (????) is the summit being organized off list? (02)
I really want to know d why this was not discussed just out of
curiosity (not that I have much time availablet) (03)
but never mind, maybe next time you share your processes with everyone
who has an interest in them? (04)
cheers
PDM (05)
On 3/18/07, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Paola,
>
> > [PDM] The survey ... may benefit from further refinement
>
> [ppy] Yes, I agree (as exemplified by Mike Uschold's response, which
> I just managed to respond to - ref:
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontology-summit/2007-03/msg00042.html)
> ... we can use refinement. Wish we had more time to work this up.
>
> > [PDM] have we consulted user profiling experts
> > in this community to make sure that we are asking
> > the right questions and using the right words?
>
> [ppy] As mentioned earlier, we are NOT trying to do user profiling
> with this survey. We want to find out what members of different
> constituencies mean when they use the term "ontology" (or when they
> use other ontology-related terms) ... etc. etc. (see details on the
> survey.
>
> > [PDM] Is it too late to make a contribution there?
>
> [ppy] for the "Ontology Summit 2007" survey, I afraid it is too late
> to change now. In fact, we are looking to get all the answers in a
> week, and then get started on the analysis & synthesis of the
> collected input.
>
> Thanks. I look forward to receiving your survey input.
>
> Regards. =ppy
> --
>
>
> On 3/17/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > HI Peter
> >
> > I have seen two or three posts going around (dont remember by whom)
> > which seemed to imply that someone who has certain beliefs (whatever)
> > or professional background,, or simply a different approach to reality
> > and knowledge representation is not making a useful contribution to
> > this forum. Obviously not everybody is interested in an open
> > confrontation
> > Freedom of expression must be protected in an open community.
> >
> > The survey is great, thanks a lot
> > however I must say, it may benefit from further refinement - have we
> > consulted user profiling experts in this community to make sure that
> > we are asking the right questions and using the right words?
> >
> > It's extremely difficult to put a meaningful survey togethr in this
> > field, as the survey may contain instrisic bias
> >
> > Is it too late to make a contribution there?
> > or maybe next time? can we open a wiki page to make
> > suggestions/improvements to the survey for futures?
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > Paola Di Maio
>
>
> > On 3/17/07, Peter P. Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx wrote Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:32:48 +0700:
> > > > ...[snip]...
> > > >
> > > > This thread is starting to become very alienating to all those who
> > > > really are not interested in this discussion, ...[snip]...
> > > >
> > > > Peter: I think we should start a polling tool and some user
> > > > profiling for this group so we can determine whether this list
> > > > is just for mathematicians to impose their view of the world
> > > > onto others, or else indeed for people with different
> > > > backgrounds and levels of interests in new technologies
> > > >
> > > > If it turns out the latter, then offensive' statements like the one
> > > > below (and like the gorzonzola one earlier) and any attempt to
> > > > restrict the discourse to a single, partial point of view should be
> > > > moderated rigorously in the future
> > > >
> > > > Best
> > > >
> > > > Paola Di Maio
> > >
> > > [ppy] To All, Ontolog is an "open" community. The
> > > [ontolog-forum] list is an un-moderated list. And, the only
> > > 'articles of association' and 'by-law' we can go by is the
> > > Ontolog Charter (see:
> > > http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nidB) and
> > > the Ontolog IPR Policy (see:
> > > http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid32). What
> > > guides all of us (in this self-organizing virtual community
> > > setting) in the engagement is our own personal choice and integrity.
> > >
> > > Both "formal ontology" and "informal ontology" discussions are
> > > relevant to the Ontolog community (see Charter). I personally
> > > learn a tremendous amount through these ongoing discourse, and
> > > have no objective reason to suggest they stop, especially when
> > > they are so relevant. Anyhow, we can all freely choose to
> > > participate or ignore a particular discussion thread (one should
> > > do the latter when it gets subjectively 'offensive').
> > >
> > > We are, in fact, doing some sort of polling, for the purpose of
> > > the "Ontology Summit 2007" initiative[1], which I had just
> > > posted. It's not for the reason you suggested, Paola, but I trust
> > > this will be good for everyone. Therefore, rather than talking
> > > about what should go into the public discourse, may I suggest
> > > that we take a break (for a few minutes) and try to contribute to
> > > that survey in our own privacy instead.
> > >
> > > Thanks & regards. =ppy
> > >
> > > P.S. [1] see: invitation to the "Ontology Summit 2007 Survey" at:
> > >
> > > http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontology-summit/2007-03/msg00040.html
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