Pat... (01)
Not being flip here... (02)
(1) relational database systems *are* reasoning systems just as much
as anything. (03)
(2) IMHO, ontology in the information systems context is not about
*reasoning* but about *organization*. Subtle but important
difference. Deductive reasoning techniques are an enabler but take a
back seat to organization because there are lots of reasoning tasks
deductive systems don't do. Here's it's useful to think of the world
as a big video game and "the true ontology" (if there is one) as its
data model. The "AI" of the video game is the "reasoning". Now, in
practical application all kind of other effects (e.g. epistemic)
creep in and those may need to be dealt with using other reasoning
techniques. Some may call the whole package "ontology" but I prefer
the more constrained interpretation – it frames the problem better. (04)
(3) Properly done, ontology makes your pet store database better.
That application probably involves neither analysis nor exploitation,
except perhaps of parakeets. (05)
I'm trying to think of something I'd like to see but I have to leave
now for a trip. I promise to work on it. (06)
.bill (07)
On Mar 5, 2006, at 10:01 , Cassidy, Patrick J. wrote: (08)
> Matthew, Bill -
> Does this wording avoid the potential misinterpretations you were
> concerned with?
>
>
> (1) We agree that the technology of modeling and representing
> knowledge
> has developed to the point where it makes possible the creation of
> knowledge-based reasoning systems that significantly enhance the
> capabilities of existing relational database systems and
> object-oriented programming, to provide information analysis and
> exploitation capabilities that cannot be realized with those
> traditional systems alone.
>
> Pat
>
>
> Patrick Cassidy
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: uos-convene-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:uos-convene-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of West,
> Matthew R SIPC-DFD/321
> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:50 AM
> To: Upper Ontology Summit convention
> Subject: RE: [uos-convene] KBR vs SQL
>
> Dear Pat,
>
> The way it reads at present (to me at least) is "Databases are dead,
> KBR systems are going to blow them away". If you mean what you say
> below then you need to include phrases like "extend the capability"
> and "complementary" which I do not see in the current text.
>
> Regards
>
> Matthew
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: uos-convene-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:uos-convene-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Cassidy,
>> Patrick J.
>> Sent: 04 March 2006 14:27
>> To: Upper Ontology Summit convention
>> Subject: RE: [uos-convene] KBR vs SQL
>>
>>
>> Mathew,
>> Since the large ontology-based applications that will be useful
> for
>> major problems are likely to use relational databases (or their
>> equivalent) as their back-end, what is the problem with
>> saying that the
>> capabilities of such systems are more advanced than the
>> capabilities of
>> database systems alone? They are indeed not "competing" but they are
>> also not "complementary"; the larger ontology-based systems will
> build
>> on and extend the database systems.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>> Patrick Cassidy
>> MITRE Corporation
>> 260 Industrial Way
>> Eatontown, NJ 07724
>> Mail Stop: MNJE
>> Phone: 732-578-6340
>> Cell: 908-565-4053
>> Fax: 732-578-6012
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>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: uos-convene-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:uos-convene-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of West,
>> Matthew R SIPC-DFD/321
>> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 6:43 AM
>> To: uos-convene@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [uos-convene] KBR vs SQL
>>
>> Dear Ray,
>>
>> The first "conclusion in brief" is:
>>
>> "(1) We agree that the technology of modeling and representing
>> knowledge has developed to the point where it is feasible to
>> create knowledge-based reasoning systems with information
>> analysis and exploitation capabilities significantly more
>> advanced than traditional systems based on relational databases
>> and object-oriented programming without semantic interpretation."
>>
>> Well I don't agree.
>>
>> Ontology can help improve the design of systems using traditional
>> technology, and I can see Knowledge Based Applications adding
>> significant value to those traditionally developed systems. I can
>> also see some genuinely "the web as a database" type applications.
>> However, I think it is inappropriate to compare in this way
>> traditional systems (that are largely transaction processing
>> based) and Knowledge Based Systems. They are complementary not
>> competing technologies.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Matthew West
>> Reference Data Architecture and Standards Manager
>> Shell International Petroleum Company Limited
>> Shell Centre, London SE1 7NA, United Kingdom
>>
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>> http://www.matthew-west.org.uk/
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