Leo and Jack: Exactly my thoughts! (01)
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[mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jack Ring
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] [Making the Case] Barriers to adoption of
ontologies (03)
While much of this 'war' can be attributed to human nature a significant part
can be attributed to the von Neumann machine's penchant for exhibiting
exploding run times when faced with combinatorial structures.
Now that multicore multiprocessors in a grid are becoming available more 'nyms'
can be handled. Next comes the General Purpose Set Theoretic Processor which
when implemented in RAM will give constant throughput at a Gb/sec regardless of
the size and complexity of the ontology.
Jack Ring
On Feb 24, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Obrst, Leo J. wrote: (04)
> We'll always need both terminologies (ways to refer, i.e., the terms,
>words/phrases, labels) + ontologies (the concepts, referents/categories of
>referents, i.e., the representation of the meaning of those terms). Why?
>Because humans use natural language and may refer to the same referent in
>different ways (jargons, specialized sub-languages, Community of Interest
>terms, different human languages). So you need both, if you want machines to
>help us semantically.
>
> Most of the "metadata" wars that we have all experienced are due to the
>conflation of these two notions, term and concept, label and meaning. People
>tend to fight to the death to ensure that their "word" is used in the metadata
>scheme or vocabulary or common schema, and forget that the important thing is
>that their "meaning" is included, and represented in the emerging model.
>
> Thanks,
> Leo
>
>
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>[mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jack Ring
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 4:58 PM
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> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] [Making the Case] Barriers to adoption of
>ontologies
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> Thanks for highlighting this. FWiW, I presume a 'standard ontology' one that
>is Fit For Purpose is one that contains all the 'nyms' relevant to the
>intended usage. Standard does NOT mean one and only one term for each concept
>or one and only one label for each attribute.
>
> Perhaps John meant otherwise.
> Jack
>
> On Feb 24, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Joanne Luciano (gmail) wrote:
>
>> My 2 cents:
>>
>> If we're talking sales.... selling to improve adoption
>>
>> We need to sell on the
>>
>> Flexible Data Model
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>> (got this from Toby Toby Segaran Data Magnate Metaweb Technologies (just
>acquired by Google). He gave the keynote this morning at CSHALS
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>http://www.iscb.org/cshals2011-program/cshals2011-keynote/cshals2011-keynote-segaran
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>> His slides are here:
>http://kiwitobes.com/presentations/SegaranCSHALS2011.pdf
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>> (that is underlying the ontology (e.g. RDF)) and that there can be many
>(stakeholder) views on top of that Flexible Data Model. And terminology can
>be standardized, however, the nice thing about standards, is there are so many
>to choose from :)
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>> with the flexible data model, new "fields" can be added without breaking the
>schema
>> we can put different ontologies - that are created for different purposes,
>selling "one ontology fit's all" will not work (imho) - because it doesn't
>work.
>>
>> also sell easy merging (with the flexible data model, when using a standard
>terminology (thereby putting the terminology argument in context)
>> this would also facilitate "deep querying" to answer complex questions
>>
>> Joanne
>>
>>
>> Joanne S. Luciano, PhD
>> Research Associate Professor
>> Tetherless World Constellation
>> Department of Computer Science
>> Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
>> 110 8th Street, Winslow 2143
>> Troy, NY 12180, USA
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2011, at 4:19 PM, Jack Ring wrote:
>>
>>> John Sowa says it very well, as usual.
>>>
>>> However, I suggest that the third thing we need to sell is the use of a
>standardized *terminology* for the enterprise.
>>>
>>> The first thing they want to hear is how they can gain better knowledge
>exchange and choice making throughout their extended enterprise.
>>>
>>> The second thing they want to hear is how they can ascend from coordination
>to cooperation to collaboration to co-learning to co-evolving.
>>>
>>> Once they believe there is a way to do this and one that is not potentially
>'career limiting' (high risk) then they will fund a pilot project to demo
>those two achievements.
>>>
>>> The demo will entail standardizing both terminology and "the way we do
>things around here" also called culture but they don't need to be concerned
>about that. The fact that you are going to discover one facet of their
>ontology and install a knowledge exchange transformer need not take up a lot
>of their mind-share. Once they are experiencing the joy of it all you can tell
>them how of evolve the capability to other facets of their enterprise.
>>>
>>> When I get time I will share a 10-facet model of an intelligent enterprise
>and a ten-C's model of the ascent of human synergy in an organization. These
>may help figure out the locus of the first demo in any given enterprise.
>>>
>>> I do not have an opinion about Owl other than noting that its users come
>disturbingly close to generating the old-time, dreaded spaghetti code.
>>>
>>> Onward,
>>> Jack Ring
>>>
>>>
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