On 30/01/2011 4:48 AM, Matthew West wrote:
> Dear Tim,
>
> I think the criticism that Ron and John have been making of Pavithra's sound
> bites rather miss the point of the very basic levels at which Ontologies can
> help with data integration within an enterprise and through the supply
> chain.
>
> The most important thing that is required is identity management, i.e. both
> you and I are calling a spade a spade, and not a shovel. So most of the
> ontological work that is done in major companies and government
> organizations is in what is widely referred to as Master Data Management.
> For practical purposes this is the set of terms used across an enterprise's
> systems, whether they are SAP or Oracle HR, or home grown Payroll systems.
I think that as time goes on, there will ontologies that come with
applications or come as part of standards or government reporting
specifications.
> There is plenty of reasoning to be done to discover anomalies in Master
> Data, and to interface it to various different systems with their own fixed
> ontologies (database schemas).
>
> For many on this forum, I suspect this will sound very mundane and boring.
> However, there is probably more money in addressing this problem that in any
> of the exciting and wizzy things that you hear about.
+1 (01)
> Regards
>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontology-summit-
>> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Wilson
>> Sent: 30 January 2011 01:01
>> To: ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] [Making the Case] Elevator Pitch
>>
>> Ron,
>>
>> While I understand what you are saying it still sounds rather defeatist
>> to me. What do you see as the magic core that will enable these diverse
>> ontologies (or something else, perhaps) to understand each other?
>>
>> Tim Wilson
>> System Engineer
>> University of Rochester
>> Rochester, NY
>>
>> On 1/29/2011 1:37 PM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
>>> On 29/01/2011 12:39 PM, John F. Sowa wrote:
>>>> On 1/29/2011 12:03 PM, Pavithra wrote:
>>>>> "With Ontology say the same thing, mean the same thing, process the
> same
>>>>> thing, everywhere"
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ontology enables semantic interoperability by presenting information
>>>>> consistently across organizations and domains and machines"
>>>> Both of those statements require a huge amount of qualification.
>>>> As stated, they are false.
>>> +1
>>>> For many purposes, a highly underspecified definition is essential
>>>> for interoperability. Names, addresses, and telephone numbers,
>>>> for example, do not require a detailed specification of the
>>>> nature of human beings, geography, or communication systems.
>>>>
>>>> Different applications may require radically different amounts
>>>> of detail and formats for totally different purposes.
>>>>
>>>> For example, consider medical records, educational records,
>>>> employment records, financial records, purchasing records,
>>>> and Facebook sites for the same person. You definitely do
>>>> *not* want the same kind of information specified in the
>>>> same way in all of them.
>>>>
>>> You are also never going to get agreement between all of the software
>>> vendors and industry standards groups about what describes a person.
>>>
>>> Too much of the discussion here seems to presume that we are going back
>>> to the 1950s and 1960s were companies each built their own business
>>> systems from scratch.
>>> In the modern world, companies assemble a custom information structure
>>> using software packages that come from several vendors.
>>> If - BIG "if" - the world adopts ontology as the basis for future
>>> generations of systems, then companies are going to have deal with many
>>> ontologies that have some level of compatibility and some adapters that
>>> allow concepts and information to flow from one to the other.
>>> SAP will have a description of a person that is different from ORACLE's
>>> HR view of the person which will be different from the payroll service's
>>> view of the person or the LMS's view of the person or the insurance
>>> company providing medical insurance or the government regulator that
>>> monitors workplace safety and so on.
>>>
>>> However, these will all have to cooperate and provide adapters or
>>> interfaces that allow the company's IT organization to make the whole
>>> thing work.
>>> Developers will need tools to "configure" ontologies to reflect the
>>> company's view of the universe and to verify that these changes do not
>>> affect interoperability.
>>>
>>> Is there a discussion about the metadata required to support the
>>> management of such a lattice of ontologies?
>>> This would seem to be a key thing to understand before trying to build a
>>> useful repository and set of tools to use it.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
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