Hi Pat, (01)
Thanks for taking the time to look at this. I appreciate your comments
but I would like to clarify a few things (sic) in-line below... (02)
On 14/12/2014 19:17, Pat Hayes wrote:
> This is hopelessly confused. The technical part of it is nonsense. Just as a
>sample:
>
> "6.3.3.1 Thing
> A Thing is a set theory construct. This is shown on the diagrams as a box
>with a name. On some diagrams, additional
> textual entries in the box show the Simple Properties about that thing.
> A Thing is defined as the set of individuals which are defined according the
>facts (properties) given for that kind of thing. "
Section 6.3 is a section titled "Interpreting the Business Model
Content" and is an attempt to convey to a non-modeler and non-ontologist
business audience, how to interpret the model. I'll be the first to
admit this could be improved upon significantly. It is explicitly not
the "technical part". (03)
The definition of Thing in the model itself is: "Any thing which is." (04)
The explanations given in sub-clause 6.3.3 of the written specification
draw upon earlier explanations we used to try and convey to a business
audience a kind of natural-language interpretation of the basic
set-theoretic nature of an OWL ontology without using modeler language.
This was framed in terms of "Things and facts" where 'fact' is a synonym
for the more technical word 'property' and nothing more. This is a
difficult balancing act. For example, the word 'fact' has a very
specific meaning in modeling which is not the meaning reflected in these
business-facing explanations. (05)
Subsequent to writing this section, we decided to deprecate the use of
the word 'fact' as used here. We should have revised this section to
come up with wording which would both be more technically correct, and
still make sense to a non-modeler, non-ontologist business audience. I
will raise a formal editorial issue to re-write this section deprecating
the technically incorrect usage of the explanatory word 'fact'. (06)
By way of background, FIBO was created to address the shortfall in many
earlier standardization efforts in the financial data area, namely that
we seemed to have a lot of physical and logical data standards with no
computationally independent set of meanings and definitions. The obvious
solution to this was to create an ontology, but the over-riding
requirement was that such an ontology was to be presented to and
understood and validated by business subject matter experts. This
required the provision of diagrammatic and textual material which was
explicitly business facing. This in turn required the kind of linguistic
balancing act described above. Hopefully we can improve upon a lot of this. (07)
Mike (08)
> Words fail me at this point. How is it possible for educated adult human
>beings to get themselves so unbelievably muddled over what should be one of
>the simplest ideas ever stated?
>
> Pat
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2014, at 12:40 PM, John F Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> A report on the FIBO project:
>>
>> http://edmcouncil.org/view/reports/20141121_FIBO_Report_to_Members.pdf
>>
>> See below for excerpts from the FIBO Semantics Repository Home Page.
>>
>> John
>> ___________________________
>>
>> Source: http://www.edmcouncil.org/semanticsrepository/index.html
>>
>> This website provides a partial report of sections of the Financial
>> Industry Business Ontology (FIBO). This is being submitted to the Object
>> Management Group (OMG) as a set of proposed standard ontologies under
>> the FIBO umbrella. These FIBO OMG specifications are optimized for
>> semantic technology applications.
>>
>> Alongside these we are working to release the full canonical reference
>> ontology (as seen in these pages) as RDF/OWL...
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