Mr Bennet, (01)
Excellent endeavors by you and your colleagues! Applying theory (and noise) is
the greatest of endeavors. Application is where that phrase "the rubber meets
the road" truly applies. (02)
Us humans are so excellent at reasoning. It may take a long period of time to
read all the comments. But, within moments humans can determine those who are
being helpful and those who are mean-spirited. Reading the mean-spirited
comments is a waste of valuable time. (03)
Some day we will be able to toss a maniacal debate into a machine reasoner and
receive only those comments that lead to progress. All the horn blowing,
self-pumping statements will be eliminated. It is gonna be a great day! Have no
fear of the mean-spirited. Useful application will prevail. (04)
But, until the day of machine filtering, keep up the good work. I am reading
along profusely and weeding out the non-useful - and greatly appreciate all
the non-mean-spirited thoughts that allow one to view things from varying
perspective. (05)
Best wishes,
Ray (06)
On Dec 16, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Mike Bennett <mbennett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: (07)
> Hi Pat,
>
> Thanks for taking the time to look at this. I appreciate your comments
> but I would like to clarify a few things (sic) in-line below...
>
> On 14/12/2014 19:17, Pat Hayes wrote:
>> This is hopelessly confused. The technical part of it is nonsense. Just as a
>sample:
>>
>> "6.3.3.1 Thing
>> A Thing is a set theory construct. This is shown on the diagrams as a box
>with a name. On some diagrams, additional
>> textual entries in the box show the Simple Properties about that thing.
>> A Thing is defined as the set of individuals which are defined according the
>facts (properties) given for that kind of thing. "
> Section 6.3 is a section titled "Interpreting the Business Model
> Content" and is an attempt to convey to a non-modeler and non-ontologist
> business audience, how to interpret the model. I'll be the first to
> admit this could be improved upon significantly. It is explicitly not
> the "technical part".
>
> The definition of Thing in the model itself is: "Any thing which is."
>
> The explanations given in sub-clause 6.3.3 of the written specification
> draw upon earlier explanations we used to try and convey to a business
> audience a kind of natural-language interpretation of the basic
> set-theoretic nature of an OWL ontology without using modeler language.
> This was framed in terms of "Things and facts" where 'fact' is a synonym
> for the more technical word 'property' and nothing more. This is a
> difficult balancing act. For example, the word 'fact' has a very
> specific meaning in modeling which is not the meaning reflected in these
> business-facing explanations.
>
> Subsequent to writing this section, we decided to deprecate the use of
> the word 'fact' as used here. We should have revised this section to
> come up with wording which would both be more technically correct, and
> still make sense to a non-modeler, non-ontologist business audience. I
> will raise a formal editorial issue to re-write this section deprecating
> the technically incorrect usage of the explanatory word 'fact'.
>
> By way of background, FIBO was created to address the shortfall in many
> earlier standardization efforts in the financial data area, namely that
> we seemed to have a lot of physical and logical data standards with no
> computationally independent set of meanings and definitions. The obvious
> solution to this was to create an ontology, but the over-riding
> requirement was that such an ontology was to be presented to and
> understood and validated by business subject matter experts. This
> required the provision of diagrammatic and textual material which was
> explicitly business facing. This in turn required the kind of linguistic
> balancing act described above. Hopefully we can improve upon a lot of this.
>
> Mike
>
>
>> Words fail me at this point. How is it possible for educated adult human
>beings to get themselves so unbelievably muddled over what should be one of
>the simplest ideas ever stated?
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2014, at 12:40 PM, John F Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> A report on the FIBO project:
>>>
>>> http://edmcouncil.org/view/reports/20141121_FIBO_Report_to_Members.pdf
>>>
>>> See below for excerpts from the FIBO Semantics Repository Home Page.
>>>
>>> John
>>> ___________________________
>>>
>>> Source: http://www.edmcouncil.org/semanticsrepository/index.html
>>>
>>> This website provides a partial report of sections of the Financial
>>> Industry Business Ontology (FIBO). This is being submitted to the Object
>>> Management Group (OMG) as a set of proposed standard ontologies under
>>> the FIBO umbrella. These FIBO OMG specifications are optimized for
>>> semantic technology applications.
>>>
>>> Alongside these we are working to release the full canonical reference
>>> ontology (as seen in these pages) as RDF/OWL...
>>>
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