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Re: [ontolog-forum] Marvin Minsky's original memo on frames

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From: "Rich Cooper" <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 15:26:45 -0700
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MB> ... ask what purposes this forum serves:
-To build a universal/strong AI
        Much of our discussion has been in this
direction primarily because
        It is still a topic most of us believe can
ultimately be done.  But for now,
        There is no well understood way to do it.
Some day that light bulb
        Will go on and someone (one of us?) will
build something that
        We all agree is AI driven. 
-To build systems using ontologies serving more
narrow purposes
        I would say this is a current topic of
discussion, and is the focus of most
        Of the commercial members to this list.  
-To educate
        You can never get too much education
unless you start taking it
        Really seriously.  
-To entertain
        Entertainment is disguised progress, in
this case.     (01)

-Rich    (02)

Rich Cooper
Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
9 4 9 \ 5 2 5 - 5 7 1 2    (03)

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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Marvin Minsky's
original memo on frames    (04)

Hello John,    (05)

I have read a good part of the paper and now
wonder how Minsky's frames are
different from the much loved and despised
"primitives" in this forum.    (06)

The postulate of a mechanism for the creation of
new frames seems to be the 
crucial difference.    (07)

The proof that universal intelligence is possible
lives all over the planet
but so far AI has failed to reproduce that with
computation.    (08)

Hearing the same ideas over and over is boring so
we have to ask what purposes
this forum serves:    (09)

-To build a universal/strong AI
-To build systems using ontologies serving more
narrow purposes
-To educate
-To entertain    (010)

I guess no one will seriously propose the first
option. Much of what I see
seems to fall into the last two categories and I
am happy with that as long
as I am occasionally entertained or learn new
things.    (011)

If I see that a thread takes a direction I have
seen several times before,
I simply skip the messages of that thread. But if
the same people debate the
same problems over and over, only newcomers really
profit from that.    (012)

A FAQ or a collections of documents / former
discussions would be a good idea
but is not so intriguing to newcomers as an
ongoing discussion. How many 
newcomers does this forum have per month? I guess
not enough to warrant the
current state of repetition (with new aspects no
doubt added every time but
increasingly difficult to find).    (013)

Regards,    (014)

Michael Brunnbauer    (015)

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