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[ontolog-forum] How should we design a good wiki? [was Marvin Minsky...]

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From: John F Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:20:14 -0400
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I changed the subject line in response to the following:    (01)

Michael B
> if the same people debate the same problems over and over, only
> newcomers really profit from that.
> A FAQ or a collections of documents / former discussions would
> be a good idea but is not so intriguing to newcomers as an
> ongoing  discussion.    (02)

Those are good points, but what should we do?    (03)

The Ontolog archives contain the former discussions, but it's
hard to find old threads that are relevant to new discussions.
And they seldom, if ever match new questions exactly.    (04)

A FAQ about the issues in Ontolog Forum would be as complex
as a wiki devoted to ontology and related issues in AI, KR,
knowledge acquisition, software development, etc.    (05)

Ontolog Forum has a blog, but it's not as active as the forum.
And a blog has the same issues of finding relevant topics as
the archive.    (06)

As a test case, consider the following question.  How could
a front-end to an archive, blog, or wiki generate or lead
to anything useful?    (07)

> I have read a good part of the paper and now wonder how Minsky's
> frames are different from the much loved and despised "primitives"
> in this forum.    (08)

Pat C
> There is no relationship whatever.  Frames are a syntax, and primitives
> are intended to capture the semantics ("meaning") of terms in a logical,
> computational form.  The meanings can be expressed in any sufficiently
> expressive syntax.    (09)

That's a good answer, but I'd add a qualification:  They're different,
but complementary.  More information would be needed to explain how.    (010)

What kind of automated or semi-automated tool(s) could generate, find,
or lead to anything similar?  Or better?  Or sufficiently informative
to enable somebody to understand the relationships?    (011)

For the record, I typed the following words to Google:    (012)

    Minsky's frames primitives ontolog    (013)

The first hit was a slide presentation by Aldo Gangemi:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2014/2014-02-06_OntologySummit2014_Overcoming-Ontology-Engineering-Bottlenecks-1/OntologySummit2014_Overcoming-Ontology-Engineering-bottlenecks-w-Knowledge-Patterns--AldoGangemi_20140206.pdf    (014)

Those slides are relevant, but they don't answer the question.
(By the way, the repetitious verbiage in the URL is not helpful.)    (015)

Other hits lead to all sorts of related readings.  Anyone who spent
hours reading them might learn a lot, but not get an answer to the
original question.    (016)

Could any wiki supported by automated tools answer such questions?
How should we design a wiki for ontology and related topics?    (017)

John    (018)

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